MSP Statement on HQL

[chilipeppermaniac]

I believe every person who sat through the training and paid their money should be reimbursed by the state. I know it won't happen but it should. Not only should they get their fees and training costs reimbursed they should be paid an hourly rate for every hour they sat in a classroom.

And how will the hassle of having to get fingerprinted and pay extra for that ever be repaired?

 

[Parry]

I believe every person who sat through the training and paid their money should be reimbursed by the state. I know it won't happen but it should. Not only should they get their fees and training costs reimbursed they should be paid an hourly rate for every hour they sat in a classroom.

HQL classes alone cost $200+ during 2020. Then add the fingerprinting, application fee, travel costs, time off from work….

 

[Kman]

HQL classes alone cost $200+ during 2020. Then add the fingerprinting, application fee, travel costs, time off from work….

Poor people don't have lives worth defending, so who cares. (dripping with sarcasm)

 

[DustyDave]

And how will the hassle of having to get fingerprinted and pay extra for that ever be repaired?

And they also won’t even let you use those fingerprints to apply for a W&C permit. You have to get new ones. SMH

 

[44 Bulldog]

I believe every person who sat through the training and paid their money should be reimbursed by the state. I know it won't happen but it should. Not only should they get their fees and training costs reimbursed they should be paid an hourly rate for every hour they sat in a classroom.

yep and we give all that money to MSI

 

[6-Pack]

14 days to make an appeal for an En Banc hearing. 90 days for an appeal to SCOTUS.

And a giant FU is handing that decision down right before Thanksgiving. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday of this week are pretty much a wash, so they have 9-ish days. I’d do the same thing if I were that judge.

 

[Inigoes]

Supreme Court won’t answer, they will kick it back down the ladder. And the situation will remain the same. Sucks but we live in a Communist state.

The SCOTUS does not like split decisions among the appellate courts.

The 2 things going for it:
1) Maryland would petition for certiorari,
2) the circuit split.

 

[Boondock Saint]

Let's suppose there's a scenario where the state magically agrees to refund all costs associated with those who complied with the HQL. Where does the state get that money?

Hint: it isn't from a pot at the end of the rainbow.

It's tax dollars. Mine and yours. And rest assured, one of the least efficient methods possible for covering/recouping that cost would be devised and employed.

So even in such a pipe dream where it would happen, pass.

 

[Art3]

Let's suppose there's a scenario where the state magically agrees to refund all costs associated with those who complied with the HQL. Where does the state get that money?

Hint: it isn't from a pot at the end of the rainbow.

It's tax dollars. Mine and yours. And rest assured, one of the least efficient methods possible for covering/recouping that cost would be devised and employed.

So even in such a pipe dream where it would happen, pass.

Yes. They aren't going to take the money back from the instructors. It sounds kinda like "reparations"

 

[Combloc]

Become ungovernable...............

 

[dblas]

Supreme Court won’t answer, they will kick it back down the ladder. And the situation will remain the same. Sucks but we live in a Communist state.

Yeah, no. If SCOTUS takes it, SCOTUS will rule on it, not remand it back down.

 

[Mark75H]

HQL classes alone cost $200+ during 2020. Then add the fingerprinting, application fee, travel costs, time off from work….

Yes, there were pirates that were charging $200 and more, but I never charged anyone more than $40 for the HQL class

 

[MaxVO2]

Poor people don't have lives worth defending, so who cares. (dripping with sarcasm)

****Yea, I help teach the HQL and W&C classes and after Bruen we opened up our classes to the public vs just our members (IWLA), and I could see some of my students were single moms or perhaps people of not much means as they asked if they could pay half on the first day, and the final half on the day of the qualification out on the range, etc.. after they got another paycheck, etc.. Of course we said yes, especially to a lady who took the bus to us and walked the rest of the way to our range house - I paid for her Uber back to her home as it was a crappy rainy day and I didn't want her standing out in the flippin' rain waiting on a bus with no umbrella....

We charged *much* less than pretty much anyone else for the first class (W&C) after Bruen - I believe $150 total including fingerprints, etc... as a way of getting more people the carry permit for the good of the community and to support the 2A, etc... We are non-profit and our instructors are all volunteers, etc.. We now only do the W&C and other classes I think only for members of our organization unless something special is set up in advance.

No question the costs associated with HQL and the W&C are very very much a financial burden on many people living paycheck to paycheck. The right to keep and bear arms is an enumerated right, and it is remarkable to me how many people really have major BGOS in our area and have the "If it pleases the Crown" mentality and do not or are not willing to fight against this HQL silliness.

 

[Sundazes]

****Yea, I help teach the HQL and W&C classes and after Bruen we opened up our classes to the public vs just our members (IWLA), and I could see some of my students were single moms or perhaps people of not much means as they asked if they could pay half on the first day, and the final half on the day of the qualification out on the range, etc.. after they got another paycheck, etc.. Of course we said yes, especially to a lady who took the bus to us and walked the rest of the way to our range house - I paid for her Uber back to her home as it was a crappy rainy day and I didn't want her standing out in the flippin' rain waiting on a bus with no umbrella....

We charged *much* less than pretty much anyone else for the first class (W&C) after Bruen - I believe $150 total including fingerprints, etc... as a way of getting more people the carry permit for the good of the community and to support the 2A, etc... We are non-profit and our instructors are all volunteers, etc.. We now only do the W&C and other classes I think only for members of our organization unless something special is set up in advance.

No question the costs associated with HQL and the W&C are very very much a financial burden on many people living paycheck to paycheck. The right to keep and bear arms is an enumerated right, and it is remarkable to me how many people really have major BGOS in our area and have the "If it pleases the Crown" mentality and do not or are not willing to fight against this HQL silliness.

Good on you!

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

yep and we give all that money to MSI

THIS ^^^^ I would be down for.

 

[jkeys]

Let's suppose there's a scenario where the state magically agrees to refund all costs associated with those who complied with the HQL. Where does the state get that money?

Hint: it isn't from a pot at the end of the rainbow.

It's tax dollars. Mine and yours. And rest assured, one of the least efficient methods possible for covering/recouping that cost would be devised and employed.

So even in such a pipe dream where it would happen, pass.

I would gladly take my portion from the anti-gunners taxes.