Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[LuckyShot]

I think we've established MoCo cops don't even know this is on the books. We could very well already had W&C ppl pulled over.

My instructor told everyone in the class to admit to carrying lmao.

 

[Sunrise]

I think we've established MoCo cops don't even know this is on the books. We could very well already had W&C ppl pulled over.

My instructor told everyone in the class to admit to carrying lmao.

Your instructor did?: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/md-gun-laws/

DUTY TO INFORM OFFICER YOU'RE CARRYING?​

Do you have a duty to notify a police officer that you're carrying a concealed firearm in Maryland?

No. There is no duty to inform a law enforcement officer that you're carrying a concealed firearm in Maryland.

https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maryland.pdf

Must Inform Officer Immediately on Contact By Law?
“NO”

 

[Occam]

My instructor told everyone in the class to admit to carrying lmao.

If that county cop asks if you have any weapons in the car, do NOT lie about it. That's a world of hurt just waiting.

 

[Sunrise]

If that county cop asks if you have any weapons in the car, do NOT lie about it. That's a world of hurt just waiting.

Based on what I saw/posted, I thought MD had "No duty to inform" that you're carrying? Please correct me here if I'm mistaken on this...

 

[Doctor_M]

If that county cop asks if you have any weapons in the car, do NOT lie about it. That's a world of hurt just waiting.

I believe that you can answer, "I respectfully decline to discuss the contents of my vehicle".

 

[Occam]

Based on what I saw/posted, I thought MD had "No duty to inform" that you're carrying? Please correct me here if I'm mistaken on this...

"Duty to inform" is, essentially, you getting pulled over and volunteering (because you have that duty) that you are carrying. Without being asked. Some states' permits require you to do so. That's a completely separate thing from being ASKED if you're carrying. Having no duty to inform isn't the same as getting to say "no" when the reality is "yes." Now, if you want to go down the rabbit hole of "I have nothing illegal in my car, officer..." even that's a lie (if you're in that no-go-zone) that - if comes out later - means hot water.

 

[Sunrise]

"Duty to inform" is, essentially, you getting pulled over and volunteering (because you have that duty) that you are carrying. Without being asked. Some states' permits require you to do so. That's a completely separate thing from being ASKED if you're carrying. Having no duty to inform isn't the same as getting to say "no" when the reality is "yes." Now, if you want to go down the rabbit hole of "I have nothing illegal in my car, officer..." even that's a lie (if you're in that no-go-zone) that - if comes out later - means hot water.

That's a good explanation. Thanks.

 

[RFBfromDE]

JESUS! the county garage LOL...WHAT

Yeah, I mean no one has ever been robbed in a public parking garage.

They are so safe, the police don't even patrol them!

 

[LuckyShot]

Your instructor did?: https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/md-gun-laws/

DUTY TO INFORM OFFICER YOU'RE CARRYING?​

Do you have a duty to notify a police officer that you're carrying a concealed firearm in Maryland?

No. There is no duty to inform a law enforcement officer that you're carrying a concealed firearm in Maryland.

https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maryland.pdf

Must Inform Officer Immediately on Contact By Law?
“NO”

Well aware, my instructor was not great. According to him OC was illegal.

 

[teratos]

If that county cop asks if you have any weapons in the car, do NOT lie about it. That's a world of hurt just waiting.

My standard answer is "There is nothing illegal in the car". "I do not answer questions" is also acceptable.

 

[rbird7282]

Not so fast there, mister! You were right across the street from the Bethesda Lane county garage. Uncle Julio's is thus a no go zone.

About which, it's sure tempting to not give a single crap, obviously. But pointing out what a minefield Bethesda is.

Not just Bethesda. Rockville. Gaithersburg. Silver Spring. Wheaton. Pretty much everywhere except out in the rural parts which is of course how they want it. I hope these people get the sh*t smacked out of them by a judge.
It’s a shame they can’t be sued.


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[rbird7282]

I think we've established MoCo cops don't even know this is on the books. We could very well already had W&C ppl pulled over.

My instructor told everyone in the class to admit to carrying lmao.

Most police don’t even know about the Bruen decision and that MD is shall issue.

I believe it was covered before but your instructor is a moron.


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[swinokur]

I had a friend whose brother was robbed shot and killed in a Mo Co parking garage in Rockville over 40 years ago.

And with this new law you cannot truthfully answer I have nothing illegal in my car officer if your gun is loaded in your vehicle

 

[delaneyesq]

Not just Bethesda. Rockville. Gaithersburg. Silver Spring. Wheaton. Pretty much everywhere except out in the rural parts which is of course how they want it. I hope these people get the sh*t smacked out of them by a judge.
It’s a shame they can’t be sued.


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Olney also!


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[Sunrise]

Well aware, my instructor was not great. According to him OC was illegal.

Yikes. That's just irresponsible. Wow.

 

[Bob A]

"Am I being detained?"

In reality, I don't expect to be stopped or questioned unless I've run a stop sign or busted the speed limit. Under those circumstances, I see no reason to discuss anything else.

I don't look threatening, I don't display affiliations on my vehicle or my clothing. There's no reason to question me.

I pay attention to risk/reward considerations.

 

[Sunrise]

"Am I being detained?"

In reality, I don't expect to be stopped or questioned unless I've run a stop sign or busted the speed limit. Under those circumstances, I see no reason to discuss anything else.

I don't look threatening, I don't display affiliations on my vehicle or my clothing. There's no reason to question me.

I pay attention to risk/reward considerations.

Good points.

Great video by Massad Ayoob on this:

 

[rambling_one]

Based on what I saw/posted, I thought MD had "No duty to inform" that you're carrying? Please correct me here if I'm mistaken on this...

There’s a big difference between you “telling,” and Leo “asking.”

 

[scottyfz6]

Based on what I saw/posted, I thought MD had "No duty to inform" that you're carrying? Please correct me here if I'm mistaken on this...

When it comes to the legal carry of firearms, if they ask if there is any in the car, yes you should answer honestly. That is what the law says.

Although I think my answer will be " there is nothing in this vehicle that is illegal under state or federal law".

 

[Doctor_M]

You cannot be compelled to self-incriminate. Don't lie, but don't answer.