Mike Smigiel's thoughts on Hogan

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

I think he meant to type Mao.

 

[dist1646]

VOTE HOGAN.

Big things will happen in his next 4 years.

Yeah but, for who?

Admittedly, Jealous is not an option and regrettably, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Hogan. Moving out of state would mean divorce, since she absolutely refuses to move!

 

[CrazySanMan]

Yeah but, for who?

Admittedly, Jealous is not an option and regrettably, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Hogan. Moving out of state would mean divorce, since she absolutely refuses to move!

My wife isn't a fan of guns, doesn't get into politics, is very close to her family, hates being spontaneous, etc. I didn't think she would adjust to moving out of state and I actually thought we'd be back in Maryland by now. However, just two weeks after we moved to Colorado I heard her tell her mom on the phone "I absolutely love it here. I wanted to tell you that if anything happens between Dave and I, I am not moving back to Maryland. I'm staying in Colorado."

 

[teratos]

My wife isn't a fan of guns, doesn't get into politics, is very close to her family, hates being spontaneous, etc. I didn't think she would adjust to moving out of state and I actually thought we'd be back in Maryland by now. However, just two weeks after we moved to Colorado I heard her tell her mom on the phone "I absolutely love it here. I wanted to tell you that if anything happens between Dave and I, I am not moving back to Maryland. I'm staying in Colorado."

http://www.cogunowners.com/

 

[CrazySanMan]

http://www.cogunowners.com/

Yeah, they get a post every month or so. In fact, the last post was on 7/13 in a thread called "Where is everyone?"

MDS is the best gun forum in the nation, that's why I'm still here.

 

[NatBoh]

Yeah, they get a post every month or so. In fact, the last post was on 7/13 in a thread called "Where is everyone?"

MDS is the best gun forum in the nation, that's why I'm still here.

And your willingness to challenge group-think around this place has great value and is much appreciated by some, including myself.

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

And your willingness to challenge group-think around this place has great value and is much appreciated by some, including myself.

Agreed

 

[TexDefender]

And here is our problem. Just because people don't share your view doesn't mean they aren't standing by their principles. Using your vote to block something worse also seems like a reasonable strategy. Just because it is not your strategy doesn't make it wrong and doesn't make that person weak on 2A. I don't think anyone here is under any illusion that Hogan is good for the 2A community. Of course, YOUR "principles" are much more likely to give us Jealous, who will be orders of magnitude worse than Hogan. You are far too quick to condemn people. It seems your reasoning occurs on only the most superficial level.

Your point is most valid in my opinion. To give up and that is what a vote for anyone other than Hogan really is in the end.

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[TexDefender]

How do Marylanders break the cycle of voting for the lesser of two evils? The lesser is still bad and every year Maryland gets worse, not better.

So you propose to just give up?

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[Bolts Rock]

Winner winner chicken dinner!!

Are you sure that is mayo?

I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.

I think he meant to type Mao.

To-may-to to-mah-to........

 

[TexDefender]

Why do you continue to make the ridiculous claim that anyone who doesn't vote for Hogan is a socialist and wants Jealous to win?

I think plenty of individuals have explained that in a two party system that voting for a none electable candidate is really helping the candidate that has the weaker position. In a heavily democratic state, you are helping the other side.

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[TexDefender]

And all this bs could have been avoided if hogan was a better governor

Him swinging to the left and going anti gun and anti constitutional is what has caused this arguing here.

A republican swinging that far left just lets the dems go even farther left, that’s why they pushed bj

Blaming anyone other than hogan is dishonest

No, blaming the people that let this state get this way is really who is the blame.

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[CrazySanMan]

And your willingness to challenge group-think around this place has great value and is much appreciated by some, including myself.

Agreed

Thank you

 

[TexDefender]

The simple truth is we have NO IDEA who will win the election. The chances are the highest for Hogan and Jealous but that doesn't mean one of them will win. It's likely one will, but not guaranteed at this point. The chances were the highest for Hillary and for Brown and they were also higher for Kammenetz than for Jealous a few months ago. The chances were high for the 100 Mexican politicians who were murdered this year before the elections there. Anything can happen.

But I will play your game. Yes, either Hogan or Jealous will likely win. One or the other. Now, answer my questions:

Yes or no - You can vote for Hogan and still support the second amendment.

Yes or no - You can vote against Hogan and still want Jealous to lose.

You didn't answer the question properly. You pulled a lefty trick there.

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[TexDefender]

The simple fact is that you won't admit that it's possible for someone to want both Hogan AND Jealous to lose, and that just because someone doesn't vote for Hogan, it doesn't mean they want Jealous to be governor. You want to keep putting words in people's mouths and telling them how they feel. You want to repeat the same fallacy over and over that anyone who doesn't vote for Hogan actually wants Jealous to win.

In an election where the is only two candidates both can't lose.

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[TexDefender]

When someone stabs you in the back, is he really better than someone who stabs you in the chest?!

This is election is about losing everything at once or delaying it in the hope continued reasoning will prevail. Not what you are proposing.

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[TexDefender]

Are you saying that people who vote for Quinn actually want Jealous to win but for some reason voted for Quinn instead?

WTF are you smoking?

People that are voting for Quinn are merely demonstrating thier current displeasure, with really no thought in regards to future and the consquence of thier actions.

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[dist1646]

This is election is about losing everything at once or delaying it in the hope continued reasoning will prevail. Not what you are proposing.

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Well, I'm certainly not proposing marriage!

 

[44man]

No, blaming the people that let this state get this way is really who is the blame.

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So it’s just like the hood ratz in Baltimore, it’s not their fault because their situation let them get that way?

Isn’t that type of thinking what got us the revolving door judicial system?

No hogan didn’t have to ask for the bumpstock ban or 1302 but he did, he also didn’t have to sign them, but he did

Hogan’s problem with the right wing gun owners is Hogan’s fault. No one else’s

It’s a poor mechanic that blames his tools

I have said I will hold my nose and vote for the gun grabber with an r by his name but he’s still a democrat gun grabber

 

[CrazySanMan]

Here is every Maryland governor's race where Wikipedia lists 3rd party candidates. None of the third party totals are even the slightest bit close to upsetting the D or R candidate. So yes, I see how you all perceive that if you vote for Quinn you will make Hogan lose, but in reality that will not happen.

2014

The 2014 Maryland gubernatorial election was held on November 4, 2014.

Larry Hogan / Boyd Rutherford (Republican) - 884,400 (51.03%%)
Anthony G. Brown / Ken Ulman (Democratic) - 818,890 (47.25%)
Shawn Quinn / Lorenzo Gaztañaga (Libertarian) - 25,382 (1.46%)
Write-ins - 4,505 (0.26%)

2010

The 2010 Maryland gubernatorial election was held on November 2, 2010.

Martin O'Malley / Anthony G. Brown (Democratic) - 1,043,724 (56.2%)
Robert L. Ehrlich / Mary D. Kane (Republican) - 775,661 (41.8%)
Susan Gaztañaga / Doug McNeil (Libertarian) - 14,124 (0.8%)
Allwine / Eidel (Green) - 11,809 (0.6%)
Knowles / Hargadon (Constitution) - 8,596 (0.5%)
Write-ins - 1,943 (0.1%)

2006

Martin O'Malley / Anthony G. Brown (D) - 942,279 (52.7%)
Robert L. Ehrlich / Kristen Cox (R) * - 825,464 (46.2%)
Ed Boyd / James Madigan (G) - 15,551 (0.9%)
Chris Driscoll / Ed Rothstein (P) - 3,481 (0.2%)

2002

Robert L. Ehrlich / Michael S. Steele (R) - 879,592 (51.55%)
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend / Charles R. Larson (D) - 813,422 (47.68%)
Spear Lancaster / Lorenzo Gaztañaga (L) - 11,546 (0.68%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_gubernatorial_elections

I think plenty of individuals have explained that in a two party system that voting for a none electable candidate is really helping the candidate that has the weaker position. In a heavily democratic state, you are helping the other side.

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No, it isn't. I'm not going to do the math for you, you'll have to do it yourself. Sorry. Subtract the number 2's votes from the winner's votes in the elections I posted above. 2,000 votes taken away from the winner will not make a bit of difference in this election just as it wouldn't in any of those elections.

That is one of the main problems with the Maryland republicans. Everyone believes the lie that their vote matters and that if they don't vote for the lesser of two evils the more evil one will win. No matter what party wins, Maryland elections are just not that close. Everyone is scared to vote anything but R, and that is why the R is always a sh!t sandwich with cheese (or Mao). You have the power to break that cycle, please do it!.

I'm willing to bet that Quinn's beliefs are more in line with the average MDS member than Hogan's beliefs are. Everyone badmouth's Quinn's vote totals instead of voting for him. Every active, regular member of MDS could vote for Quinn or write in the same thing without changing the Hogan/Jealous outcome. That might be enough to help get some better candidates in future elections. Or you can continue believing the lie that one or one thousand non-votes for the R will make the D win and continue biting that sh!t sandwich and continue getting upset each Sine Die when your rights have eroded a little bit more. You can keep repeating that April lie around MDS that "Yeah, we got hit with some bad laws and lost more rights, but hey, it could have been worse!".