Mike Smigiel's thoughts on Hogan

[Occam]

Are you saying that people who vote for Quinn actually want Jealous to win but for some reason voted for Quinn instead?

No, they want Hogan to lose. And since only Hogan or Jealous can win, that’s a desire for the socialist to win. People who vote for Quinn don’t want him to win because they know he cannot possibly do so. They are only interested in scolding insufficiently pure non-liberals, and are happy to support the result of a socialist governor if that’s the cost of getting that little dopamine rush that comes from punishing Hogan.

 

[CrazySanMan]

If you deliberately act in a way that supports making the socialist the new governor, then pointing out that you're supporting that result is no fallacy. It's just reality. You're trying to keep reality out of this, and I am keeping it in.

Supporting a candidate other than Hogan or Jealous is not supporting Jealous. That is reality. Fantasy is telling everyone who doesn't support Hogan that they support Jealous. You're the one keeping reality out of this.

Putting words in people's mouths and telling them that they support candidates who they do not support is the real trolling here. All of the ad hominem attacks you've launched against me is the real trolling here.

Let's use your user name and apply Occam's Razor to this. If a person votes for Quinn, did they do so because they support Quinn or because they support Jealous? The simplest answer is that they took the effort to stand in line and vote for Quinn, so they support Quinn.

 

[CrazySanMan]

No, they want Hogan to lose. And since only Hogan or Jealous can win, that’s a desire for the socialist to win. People who vote for Quinn don’t want him to win because they know he cannot possibly do so. They are only interested in scolding insufficiently pure non-liberals, and are happy to support the result of a socialist governor if that’s the cost of getting that little dopamine rush that comes from punishing Hogan.

Or maybe, just maybe, they take their right to vote responsibly and vote for the candidate who's views best match their own instead of treating each election as a high school year book most likely to succeed contest.

 

[daggo66]

Quinn is not electable. He is doing absoluting nothin to make a name for himself or to even let anyone know he exists. I won't say voting for him is "supporting" Jealous, as it is certainly not. However in a blue dominated state, every vote for Hogan is necessary to keep Jealous out.

 

[Ranchero50]

Voting for Quinn is like writing in Mickey Mouse.

Hogan's win was an aberration because the Dems didn't show up to vote.

Similar to Trump being a middle of the road Democrat compared to the far, far left opposition I hope Hogan can do the same thing. Crazy that they both needed to run as republicans but it is what it is.

 

[dist1646]

Go back and re-read the first post. It sounds to me like an endorsement for Jealous!

 

[dblas]

And all this bs could have been avoided if hogan was a better governor

Him swinging to the left and going anti gun and anti constitutional is what has caused this arguing here.

A republican swinging that far left just lets the dems go even farther left, that’s why they pushed bj

Blaming anyone other than hogan is dishonest

I think this is backwards, because the Democrats have pushed BJ, Hogan has now been able to move further left in the search for more vote from those on the fence that are left leaning. Had the Democratic nominee been anyone else, I'm not so sure we would see Hogan reach as far left on this election as he has.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Voting for Quinn is like writing in Mickey Mouse.

Hogan's win was an aberration because the Dems didn't show up to vote.

Similar to Trump being a middle of the road Democrat compared to the far, far left opposition I hope Hogan can do the same thing. Crazy that they both needed to run as republicans but it is what it is.

Here are the vote totals of the R and D governor candidates for the last 4 elections.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_gubernatorial_elections

2014 1,703,290
2010 1,819,385
2006 1,749,743
2002 1,693,014

Looks to me that the D turnout was about what they normally get. The difference was the I's went heavily to Hogan when they normally go D.

 

[CrazySanMan]

I think this is backwards, because the Democrats have pushed BJ, Hogan has now been able to move further left in the search for more vote from those on the fence that are left leaning. Had the Democratic nominee been anyone else, I'm not so sure we would see Hogan reach as far left on this election as he has.

I can believe this.

 

[Ranchero50]

I think this is backwards, because the Democrats have pushed BJ, Hogan has now been able to move further left in the search for more vote from those on the fence that are left leaning. Had the Democratic nominee been anyone else, I'm not so sure we would see Hogan reach as far left on this election as he has.

BINGO. Grabbing moderate Democrat's votes has to be the name of the game. Disavowing the NRA (Democrats great Satan) isn't a terrible strategy for it.

The largest surprise is with the super majority in the MGA why the Dems didn't push their agenda harder last session.

 

[44man]

I think this is backwards, because the Democrats have pushed BJ, Hogan has now been able to move further left in the search for more vote from those on the fence that are left leaning. Had the Democratic nominee been anyone else, I'm not so sure we would see Hogan reach as far left on this election as he has.

Respectful, I don’t think so. Hogan has to know going so far left, and I think he will go much farther left, alienates those on The right. I believe hogan is moving so far left because he isn’t concerned about those hard right because our numbers are so low in md. And he needs to be farther left if he has aspirations after this election.

So hogan moving left, which he started when he began siding with the dems on removing the statue at the state house and then when he began asking for anti gun anti constitutional bills to sign into law. Thus leaving the dems to go farther left.

That or the dems and hogan are just batshit crazy, it’s hard to tell anymore.

 

[Applehd]

Supporting a candidate other than Hogan or Jealous is not supporting Jealous...

Just curious as to what part of the aforementioned Perot analogy don't you understand? It's either Hogan or Jealous... that's it. In 2 against 1 Maryland, votes wasted on anyone other than Hogan WILL help Jealous...

 

[Vetted84]

It pretty much boils down to you are voting for a Socialist or you are voting for a Democrat.

There is no Republican running for governor this election cycle.

I will not be pulling either lever.

 

[eruby]

Occam, et al, I am curious what you are trying to accomplish with your multiple retorts to CrazySanMan.

Are you trying to get him to say he is wrong, and will now vote for Hogan?

I don't believe anyone is going to be swayed, but I am often wrong, and will be many times hence.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Just curious as to what part of the aforementioned Perot analogy don't you understand? It's either Hogan or Jealous... that's it. In 2 against 1 Maryland, votes wasted on anyone other than Hogan WILL help Jealous...

Here is every Maryland governor's race where Wikipedia lists 3rd party candidates. None of the third party totals are even the slightest bit close to upsetting the D or R candidate. So yes, I see how you all perceive that if you vote for Quinn you will make Hogan lose, but in reality that will not happen.

2014

The 2014 Maryland gubernatorial election was held on November 4, 2014.

Larry Hogan / Boyd Rutherford (Republican) - 884,400 (51.03%%)
Anthony G. Brown / Ken Ulman (Democratic) - 818,890 (47.25%)
Shawn Quinn / Lorenzo Gaztañaga (Libertarian) - 25,382 (1.46%)
Write-ins - 4,505 (0.26%)

2010

The 2010 Maryland gubernatorial election was held on November 2, 2010.

Martin O'Malley / Anthony G. Brown (Democratic) - 1,043,724 (56.2%)
Robert L. Ehrlich / Mary D. Kane (Republican) - 775,661 (41.8%)
Susan Gaztañaga / Doug McNeil (Libertarian) - 14,124 (0.8%)
Allwine / Eidel (Green) - 11,809 (0.6%)
Knowles / Hargadon (Constitution) - 8,596 (0.5%)
Write-ins - 1,943 (0.1%)

2006

Martin O'Malley / Anthony G. Brown (D) - 942,279 (52.7%)
Robert L. Ehrlich / Kristen Cox (R) * - 825,464 (46.2%)
Ed Boyd / James Madigan (G) - 15,551 (0.9%)
Chris Driscoll / Ed Rothstein (P) - 3,481 (0.2%)

2002

Robert L. Ehrlich / Michael S. Steele (R) - 879,592 (51.55%)
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend / Charles R. Larson (D) - 813,422 (47.68%)
Spear Lancaster / Lorenzo Gaztañaga (L) - 11,546 (0.68%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_gubernatorial_elections

 

[Bolts Rock]

How Maryland elections work:

Voter: What's on the menu?

Maryland: Sh*t sandwich or sh*t sandwich with mayo.

Once you realize that you also realize Maryland is hopeless and you should just leave.

 

[44man]

How Maryland elections work:

Voter: What's on the menu?

Maryland: Sh*t sandwich or sh*t sandwich with mayo.

Once you realize that you also realize Maryland is hopeless and you should just leave.

Winner winner chicken dinner!!

 

[dist1646]

How Maryland elections work:

Voter: What's on the menu?

Maryland: Sh*t sandwich or sh*t sandwich with mayo.

Once you realize that you also realize Maryland is hopeless and you should just leave.

Are you sure that is mayo?

 

[CrazySanMan]

How Maryland elections work:

Voter: What's on the menu?

Maryland: Sh*t sandwich or sh*t sandwich with mayo.

Once you realize that you also realize Maryland is hopeless and you should just leave.

Are you sure that is mayo?

I think he meant to type Mao.

 

[toddtrain]

VOTE HOGAN.

Big things will happen in his next 4 years.