Maryland to expand assault weapons ban

[iH8DemLibz]

Y'all are being very hard on Hogan.

I still say he'll go around on Christmas Eve placing CCW permits under our trees.

 

[Doctor_M]

I would leave a big plate of cookies for him if it were true.

 

[SWO Daddy]

I hate it when threads like this turn into focus groups for how the legislature could bend us over most effectively. I think we all know that we would be in a much worse position today if the legislature wasn't so ignorant on guns.

No need to help them fix that....

 

[iH8DemLibz]

I hate it when threads like this turn into focus groups for how the legislature could bend us over most effectively. I think we all know that we would be in a much worse position today if the legislature wasn't so ignorant on guns.

No need to help them fix that....

I don't think they're ignorant on guns at all. I think they know exactly what they're doing.

A little desensitizing here. A little incrementalism there. Followed by a gentle, yet effective, wearing down of the population.

It's a page torn from the Socialism/Communism playbook. And before you know it, they'll have accomplished their goals.


PS: Entire counties have been taken over using the same methods.

 

[ironpony]

Square up your shoulders and keep your chin up. Enough with the defeatism before we take the field.

No defeatism meant Rack, I'm working on a shopping list!

In all honesty we have been paying them to come up with more ideas since the passage of FSA 2013, I'm just trying to be prepared.

 

[Jim12]

Unfortunately the lower court decision now standing, I fear that the flood gates are open this year and for the foreseeable future for much more erosion. There really is nothing to stem the tide here in MD as long as a veto-proof majority continues to exist in the GA.

This is just a convenient distraction from the waste land and war zone that is Baltimore. The politicians will use it as such. If Marylanders let them.

The pols need to be confronted in their own hearings with the fact that FSA2013 and whatever follows is, was, and always will be a dismal failure; that the REAL problems are those that they fail to address, even make worse: Drugs, crime, poverty, and their soft-on-criminals attitude in Maryland.

The 2A isn't the problem. It's a red herring. The real problems are those morons who blame the 2A for people's intentional, criminal actions.

 

[Schipperke]

Moon said the Supreme Court’s decision to let the assault weapons ban stand “may have lifted a legal cloud on the whole conversation” about expanding restrictions.

Maryland lawmakers will also consider whether to get rid of the Handgun Permit Review Board, which has the power to overturn the Maryland State Police’s decision on who gets a concealed-carry permit. Instead, an administrative law judge would have that power.

Fixed.

As to the HPRB issue, 2A advocates are not going to find any legal impediments to argue here. If mistaken, please enumerate.

 

[Uncle Duke]

This is just a convenient distraction from the waste land and war zone that is Baltimore. The politicians will use it as such. If Marylanders let them.

The pols need to be confronted in their own hearings with the fact that FSA2013 and whatever follows is, was, and always will be a dismal failure; that the REAL problems are those that they fail to address, even make worse: Drugs, crime, poverty, and their soft-on-criminals attitude in Maryland.

The 2A isn't the problem. It's a red herring. The real problems are those morons who blame the 2A for people's intentional, criminal actions.

Couldn't agree with you more. But I'd suggest that many Maryland residents are already well aware of the problems noted, as well as the gamesmanship typically played by the politicos in sidestepping the real issues. We here all know that FSA2013 is a farce, and a farce that was sold as a "solution" to problems that law abiding people aren't causing, never have caused, and never will cause. Unfortunately, the most typical Marylander's reaction to whatever level of awareness they have, seems to be apathy.

The question then becomes, how do we make Maryland residents see that these political sidesteps and associated infringements, sold under the guise of "doing something", are not merely annoying, and not merely business as usual, but are downright inherently and increasingly dangerous to one's own personal safety? Because what's needed most, and the only thing these politicos will likely fear, is what IMO is most missing. That is, the creation of a scenario where people well outside of our 2A forum ranks, are damned well good and genuinely pissed off.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Couldn't agree with you more. But I'd suggest that many Maryland residents are already well aware of the problems noted, as well as the gamesmanship typically played by the politicos in sidestepping the real issues. We here all know that FSA2013 is a farce, and a farce that was sold as a "solution" to problems that law abiding people aren't causing, never have caused, and never will cause. Unfortunately, the most typical Marylander's reaction to whatever level of awareness they have, seems to be apathy.

The question then becomes, how do we make Maryland residents see that these political sidesteps and associated infringements, sold under the guise of "doing something", are not merely annoying, and not merely business as usual, but are downright inherently and increasingly dangerous to one's own personal safety? Because what's needed most, and the only thing these politicos will likely fear, is what IMO is most missing. That is, the creation of a scenario where people well outside of our 2A forum ranks, are damned well good and genuinely pissed off.

I've talked to people who have said they'd much rather die than take a human life. Or they'd rather be raped than take a human life.

I'm certain this isn't a Maryland only mentality, but I am certain folks like this don't give a single runny sh!t about increasing danger or their own personal safety.

If they did care about their well being and the well being of their families, they wouldn't need external prodding to get involved. AKA: Damned well good and genuinely pissed off.

Gun owners and those who want to provide for their own defense are on their own.

 

[Uncle Duke]

I've talked to people who have said they'd much rather die than take a human life. Or they'd rather be raped than take a human life.

I'm certain this isn't a Maryland only mentality, but I am certain folks like this don't give a single runny sh!t about increasing danger or their own personal safety.

If they did care about their well being and the well being of their families, they wouldn't need external prodding to get involved. AKA: Damned well good and genuinely pissed off.

I know the type as well. To hell with them and their sort. They are hopeless and cannot be made otherwise. I would however like to think, and I do indeed still think, that those people are still largely the exception, and not the norm.

What IS the norm in this state is an abject failure on the part of our political "leadership" to acknowledge and address reality. Jim's 4 word notation is spot on......"If Marylanders let them."

 

[j_h_smith]

Make bump stocks class III, easy

And how do you register something that was never made with a serial number?

 

[Doco Overboard]

Enact proof house laws

 

[Fox123]

I know the type as well. To hell with them and their sort. They are hopeless and cannot be made otherwise. I would however like to think, and I do indeed still think, that those people are still largely the exception, and not the norm.

What IS the norm in this state is an abject failure on the part of our political "leadership" to acknowledge and address reality. Jim's 4 word notation is spot on......"If Marylanders let them."

In Maryland I think you have it backwards on the exception/norm percentage.

 

[j_h_smith]

Members of this forum, I suggest you take into consideration a phrase that I have lived my life adhering to more than anything else.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best. If you think that Hogan or anyone else is going to save our 2A rights in Maryland, I suggest you keep that thought but I highly recommend you also prepare for laws to be passed that will rape your 2A rights while a Maryland resident.

To think that our rights will not be plundered next year would be a foolish and reckless reaction to this latest inaction of the Supreme Court.

I would also look at Maryland adopting the same legislation that California passed and I believe this law takes affect January 1, 2018. In California, there will no mail order ammo purchases allowed unless you ship the ammo to an FFL. Then you will have to have a background check in order to buy that ammo. None, no buying in bulk from out of state vendors and having it shipped directly to your house. I believe this will be an important part of the MGA actions and I see support from 95% of Maryland residents.

Keep your eyes open for this bill to be submitted early on in the session.

 

[EL1227]

Ding, ding, ding, ding ... we have a winner.

I don't think they're ignorant on guns at all. I think they know exactly what they're doing.

A little desensitizing here. A little incrementalism there. Followed by a gentle, yet effective, wearing down of the population.

It's a page torn from the Socialism/Communism playbook. And before you know it, they'll have accomplished their goals.


PS: Entire counties have been taken over using the same methods.

Entire states too ... especially when a lower level official's powers are elevated in order to circumvent Executive branch decisions, or go around them entirely to exercise a personal agenda.

 

[daggo66]

When is the last time you saw a united republican front from the MD legislature in regards to a bill? The democrats have their team together and alway strut them in front of the cameras to garner support or perceived support for their agendas.

Truth. There are a couple who will put forth pro 2A bills, but the "leadership" will not support them

 

[Racer Doug14]

What the MGA sends to the Gov is irrelevant. Hogan's signature or veto will seal his fate. He very well could win re-election, but any passed bill might crush his campaign. He has proved that 2A has NO importance to him or his administration. We are on our own. Any possible change in the make-up of the MGA to a more centered politics is also unlikely.

 

[j_h_smith]

What the MGA sends to the Gov is irrelevant. Hogan's signature or veto will seal his fate. He very well could win re-election, but any passed bill might crush his campaign. He has proved that 2A has NO importance to him or his administration. We are on our own. Any possible change in the make-up of the MGA to a more centered politics is also unlikely.

I'm upset with the governor's lack of support, but I also see how things work. How many votes does he lose from staunch 2A supporters? Will it be enough to sway the election? If he runs unopposed in the primary, who do we support in the general?

This is a no brainer for Governor Hogan. He didn't win the last election by the 2A vote and he won't lose this next election without us.

It's time to face the truth. We are too small to affect the election for governor.

The only way we are going to change this state is by your representatives. Unless we can change the makeup of the MGA, we are doomed.

 

[44man]

I'm upset with the governor's lack of support, but I also see how things work. How many votes does he lose from staunch 2A supporters? Will it be enough to sway the election? If he runs unopposed in the primary, who do we support in the general?

This is a no brainer for Governor Hogan. He didn't win the last election by the 2A vote and he won't lose this next election without us.

It's time to face the truth. We are too small to affect the election for governor.

The only way we are going to change this state is by your representatives. Unless we can change the makeup of the MGA, we are doomed.

or dog catcher if we are being realistic.

once upon a time in md you couldn't get elected dog catcher unless you had the farmers and the watermen voting for you, as steny hoyer, its how he got started and I wish he hadn't.

anyway, apparently there are so few pro 2a people in Maryland and so fvcking many liberals or those sucking on the tit of the government that they are courted for the vote and they GIVE their vote in droves so they can keep living their liberal lives and sucking on the tit of the government.

md politics makes me sick, the only thing that makes me sicker is being old enough to remember when it wasn't this way.

 

[Schipperke]

Maryland goes as MoCo deems it..