Letter to Marcus L. Brown; Secretary of MSP

[RRHemi]

They are the "government" after all. Who are we to question them??? I am trying to raise awareness with any ear I can bend. I am amazed at how many gun owners do not realize what just happened with SB281. Covert awareness campaign starts as soon as this damn semester ends!

 

[Forthefunofit]

Not pushing FFL's

I want to push the MSP who work for me, a memeber of this socialist republic to actially put it on MSP letterhead that any FFL can legally and without recourse, follow the laws the MSP already has on the books and release as they should be able to without fear.

 

[Maryland998]

Well done my friend

 

[rseymorejr]

... and all we'll get is something to the effect of "We are aware of the problem, are trying to solve it and appreciate your patience".

Too bad we can't do that when they want some action from us, like paying taxes, fees, tickets, etc.

Wonder if we could, in fact, just send them their own response letters back when they send inquiries

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" I know that my taxes were due on April 15th, due to funding cuts, staff shortages and an unprecedented work load in my house I am unable to file or write you a check at this time. I am working very hard to address this situation and appreciate your patience. I will get to you eventually"

I wonder how that would go over?

 

[gungate]

Hello SNI, I just posted this in another thread, thought it might apply here also since your talking about discretion.

I think the FFl's that are going to transfer after 7 days will only do so with long time customers that they know very well and know they will be "not disapproved".

My FFL has been transferring on the 8th day to his repeat customers that have done a lot of business with him. He knows they will be "not disapproved".

In the "MSP getting heat from ATF and FBI" thread it has been pretty much established that the firearm can be transferred after the 7 days and be in compliance with all Federal and State laws.

Any FFL can transfer to whom ever, when ever he wants, as long as he does not get a "disapproved" within 7 working days of the paperwork being faxed to the MSP.

If you are a first time buyer at any given FFL, or have only bought a couple in the last few years you are going to have a real hard time trying to get your gun without the "not disapproved" from the MSP.

Would you transfer to someone you don't know or hardly know after 7 day's if you were the FFL?

He owns the shop. It is his business and he has every right to do conduct his business the way he wants and is comfortable with.

Come on guy's, do you really think because you have bought 1 or 2 maybe 3 guns in the last couple of years that you should expect him to transfer after 7 days when he is obviously not comfortable doing so?

I have done 20+ transfers in the last 6 months with my FFL. I have been doing business with him way before the "mad rush" started. You have to have an established relationship with an FFL.

Just my opinion and just asking.

I think most FFLs are waiting because of the legal ramifications from MSP and the State for transferring the firearm before getting a "Not Disapproved". If the well-written letter from the OP is acted upon in a legal and appropriate manor, the State will tell the FFLs that they are allowed, at their discretion, to release the firearm after 7 days. No one is suggesting that they be forced to arbitrarily release the firearm.

 

[HiballHiside]

Did you see this?

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=2395950&postcount=20

No, Thank you! I'm glad I put this out on this forum. I knew I'd get good feedback!

 

[HiballHiside]

Hello SNI, I just posted this in another thread, thought it might apply here also since your talking about discretion.

I think the FFl's that are going to transfer after 7 days will only do so with long time customers that they know very well and know they will be "not disapproved".

My FFL has been transferring on the 8th day to his repeat customers that have done a lot of business with him. He knows they will be "not disapproved".

In the "MSP getting heat from ATF and FBI" thread it has been pretty much established that the firearm can be transferred after the 7 days and be in compliance with all Federal and State laws.

Any FFL can transfer to whom ever, when ever he wants, as long as he does not get a "disapproved" within 7 working days of the paperwork being faxed to the MSP.

If you are a first time buyer at any given FFL, or have only bought a couple in the last few years you are going to have a real hard time trying to get your gun without the "not disapproved" from the MSP.

Would you transfer to someone you don't know or hardly know after 7 day's if you were the FFL?

He owns the shop. It is his business and he has every right to do conduct his business the way he wants and is comfortable with.

Come on guy's, do you really think because you have bought 1 or 2 maybe 3 guns in the last couple of years that you should expect him to transfer after 7 days when he is obviously not comfortable doing so?

I have done 20+ transfers in the last 6 months with my FFL. I have been doing business with him way before the "mad rush" started. You have to have an established relationship with an FFL.

Just my opinion and just asking.

Thanks for the response. Just to clarify the intent of the letter to the Secretary is to have them clarify to everyone what the FFL's are legally able to do. I do not wish to Force an FFL to do anything that don't want to. As I understand the FFL's have a time requirement on when the transaction must be completed after they get the NICS back (Something like 90 days?).

I know there are some FFL's that would release the Firearms if they have Confirmation from the State that it is Legal to release after such and such time.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Would it be a bit "in your face" to add the fact that we pay for them to process the applications?

 

[Gordnfreman]

I think most FFLs are waiting because of the legal ramifications from MSP and the State for transferring the firearm before getting a "Not Disapproved". If the well-written letter from the OP is acted upon in a legal and appropriate manor, the State will tell the FFLs that they are allowed, at their discretion, to release the firearm after 7 days. No one is suggesting that they be forced to arbitrarily release the firearm.

My question to that is:

Why have the MSP not "officially" taken the stance that it is not legal to transfer after 7 days?

Don't you think that the MSP would send an "Official Letter to All FFL's stating that it is unlawful to transfer after 7 days without a not disapproved or NICS Number".

Of course they would if that were the law, but it is not the law and that's why thay haven't.

People are looking for the MSP to say it is ok. Look at it from the other direction, why haven't they officially stated that it is not ok?

Just mt opinion

 

[Right2Carry]

"Possible temporary solutions:
1. Allow Maryland FFL’s to perform the NICS check regulated & non-Regulated firearms prior to sending all the Background Check information to MSP. The FFL has performed the basic Federal Background Check and can release the firearm after the mandatory waiting period (7 days). The MSP can complete the state background checks."

You should request that FFLs be given back thier responsibilities, and not as a temporary suggestion.

 

[HiballHiside]

Email was sent today. I received a return message from the superintendents email, so I e-mailed what I thought would be his direct e-mail. I included

Secretary of MSP Marcus Brown
Commander of the Licensing Division Captain McCauley
Commander Thomase Williams
Delegate Smigel
Delegate Haddaway

I don't have a way to e-mail MOM directly.

Now we wait

Once again thanks for everyone's input.

I will post any response.

 

[RRHemi]

Email was sent today. I received a return message from the superintendents email, so I e-mailed what I thought would be his direct e-mail. I included

Secretary of MSP Marcus Brown
Commander of the Licensing Division Captain McCauley
Commander Thomase Williams
Delegate Smigel
Delegate Haddaway

I don't have a way to e-mail MOM directly.

Now we wait

Once again thanks for everyone's input.

I will post any response.

Try this: http://www.governor.maryland.gov/mail/

 

[HiballHiside]

Try this: http://www.governor.maryland.gov/mail/

I think it's more than 4000 Characters.

 

[RRHemi]

From you? Never!!!

 

[04RWon]

Email was sent today. I received a return message from the superintendents email, so I e-mailed what I thought would be his direct e-mail. I included

Secretary of MSP Marcus Brown
Commander of the Licensing Division Captain McCauley
Commander Thomase Williams
Delegate Smigel
Delegate Haddaway

I don't have a way to e-mail MOM directly.

Now we wait

Once again thanks for everyone's input.

I will post any response.

Good to go, keep us updated.

 

[Doctor_M]

Great job! Hope you get a response. Keep us in the loop.

 

[L0gic]

I don't have a way to e-mail MOM .

I can see the 2016 debates now.

Mod: MOM, do you believe a right delayed is a right denied?

MOM: I certainly do, and that is why I fought hard to legalize gay marriage in my home state.

Mod: than can you explain how your office did nothing substantial to help citizens of your home state with their monumental delay in exercising their second amendment right under the constitution, where the delay on average was two months to receive their regulated purchase? Rather than helping the situation, you signed in to law more oppressive legislation in 2013 that ballooned that figure to a six months wait. Can you explain how that is not a right dela..... Hey put down that taser bro.. Did you register that!?

 

[Markp]

" I know that my taxes were due on April 15th, due to funding cuts, staff shortages and an unprecedented work load in my house I am unable to file or write you a check at this time. I am working very hard to address this situation and appreciate your patience. I will get to you eventually"

I wonder how that would go over?

At one time, I thought only criminals didn't follow the law, but then I woke up.

Criminals are not the only ones who don't follow the law

Only Criminals and Governments don't follow the law.
​

Take this example: Guam has failed to pay the refunds on time to their citizens... Seems like .gov can do just about anything with impunity.

Like this:

"The court issued the order after what it called a pattern -- dating back more than 20 years -- of failure to timely pay tax refunds. "Since the early 1990s, the government of Guam has financed chronic budget deficits by regularly delaying (income tax refunds) to its taxpayers," the judge ruled.

In 2011, for example, GovGuam owed $333 million in tax refunds for the 2005 tax year, the judge said. GovGuam borrowed from the bond market to trim the tax refund obligation"

Now what happens to you when you don't pay on time???? Hmmm???

 

[Forthefunofit]

Do nothing!

Send a hard copy and the requested official response with a "copy to MSP letterhead and sign" post it. That way he has to do almost nothing which we know he is good at.

 

[TurkeyTrack]

Email was sent today. I received a return message from the superintendents email, so I e-mailed what I thought would be his direct e-mail. I included

Secretary of MSP Marcus Brown
Commander of the Licensing Division Captain McCauley
Commander Thomase Williams
Delegate Smigel
Delegate Haddaway

I don't have a way to e-mail MOM directly.

Now we wait

Once again thanks for everyone's input.

I will post any response.

At one time, I thought only criminals didn't follow the law, but then I woke up.

Criminals are not the only ones who don't follow the law

Only Criminals and Governments don't follow the law.
​

Take this example: Guam has failed to pay the refunds on time to their citizens... Seems like .gov can do just about anything with impunity.

Like this:

"The court issued the order after what it called a pattern -- dating back more than 20 years -- of failure to timely pay tax refunds. "Since the early 1990s, the government of Guam has financed chronic budget deficits by regularly delaying (income tax refunds) to its taxpayers," the judge ruled.

In 2011, for example, GovGuam owed $333 million in tax refunds for the 2005 tax year, the judge said. GovGuam borrowed from the bond market to trim the tax refund obligation"

Now what happens to you when you don't pay on time???? Hmmm???

Licensing Division Commander = Captain Dalaine Brady dalaine.brady@maryland.gov

MSP Superintendent = Colonel Marcus Brown marcus.brown@maryland.gov

MSP Annapolis Representative = Mr. Thomas Williams Thomas.williams@maryland.gov