Larry Hogan Says No Change To Gun Laws

[Inigoes]

If Hogan appointed a pro 2A MSP Superintendent in his first week or two after inauguration it would be Sine Die before the first permits would get into the hands of the applicants.....

You are referencing the short game. As Mr. Woollard dealt with.

Do you want a temporary 4 year solution (if Hogan is not reelected), or long term?

 

[Jim12]

By refusing to get one, or to assist others in doing so, you are facilitating the desired effect of the legislation in the first place. Your philosophy of.....well show those anti gunners, we will never buy handguns again, and we will make it as difficult as possible for people entering the culture to do so...is giving them EXACTLY what they want. You should know that one of the major goals of MSI right now is to get as many people trained to be MSP certified handgun trainers so that they can donate HQL training to combat the effect of the HQL law on the culture itself. Are you an MSI member? Sounds like they could use your training credentials to advance the cause, if that's something that interests you.

Yes, I have an HQL, and a few other govt issued ID's. I also have a drivers license, because, you know, I'm not going to stop going places, just like I'm not going to stop buying firearms. I don't consider it a reasonable thing to do, to get an HQL, just as I don't consider it reasonable to never purchase a handgun again. What is unreasonable, is gun owners not helping each other out. THAT is an unreasonable thing to do.

When you refuse to get an HQL, they win. When gun owners don't help each other, they win. When we as gun owners can't get anything done politically because we can't agree amongst ourselves. They win, so ask yourself, who do you want to win?

I think this debate has already been going on for awhile. The counter argument is that the new law puts a heavy, unconstitutional burden on firearms ownership and deters honest, law abiding citizens, minorities, and those who are less prosperous. O'Mao, Frosh, et al say it doesn't. If purchases dramatically fall off, it tends to prove the infringement and our argument. However, if everybody runs out and gets an HQL and a gun, the anti's say, "See, no burden, no infringement."

We are not "facilitating" the desired effects of the legislation; we are VICTIMS of it, and need relief.

Further, many law abiding citizens refuse to be fingerprinted, like common criminals, in order to exercise a Constitutional right. I'm one of them. The argument that people need to be fingerprinted for certain jobs doesn't fly: That's voluntary. A career in any given job or field is not a right.

 

[LoneRanger]

By refusing to get one, or to assist others in doing so, you are facilitating the desired effect of the legislation in the first place. Your philosophy of.....well show those anti gunners, we will never buy handguns again, and we will make it as difficult as possible for people entering the culture to do so...is giving them EXACTLY what they want. You should know that one of the major goals of MSI right now is to get as many people trained to be MSP certified handgun trainers so that they can donate HQL training to combat the effect of the HQL law on the culture itself. Are you an MSI member? Sounds like they could use your training credentials to advance the cause, if that's something that interests you.

Yes, I have an HQL, and a few other govt issued ID's. I also have a drivers license, because, you know, I'm not going to stop going places, just like I'm not going to stop buying firearms. I don't consider it a reasonable thing to do, to get an HQL, just as I don't consider it reasonable to never purchase a handgun again. What is unreasonable, is gun owners not helping each other out. THAT is an unreasonable thing to do.

When you refuse to get an HQL, they win. When gun owners don't help each other, they win. When we as gun owners can't get anything done politically because we can't agree amongst ourselves. They win, so ask yourself, who do you want to win?

Then in my case they win because I refuse to get an HQL.

Like Kenny Rogers said...you have to know when to hold em and know when to fold em...

G&S has been the law since before most folks on this board were even born...it is folly to think that Hogan can change an almost half century of history with his 'pen and a phone'....

I'm old enough to remember when buying a gun in this state was like buying a screwdriver....heck there were many places where you could buy both...of course I'm also old enough to remember when in Anne Arundel county slot machines were all over the place.

Sometimes you just have to take the path of least resistance...which if gun rights are a compelling issue in one's life then that path is to move to a more 2a friendly place......

 

[John from MD]

When you refuse to get an HQL, they win. When gun owners don't help each other, they win. When we as gun owners can't get anything done politically because we can't agree amongst ourselves. They win, so ask yourself, who do you want to win?[/QUOTE]


See, they already have you conditioned.

Just leave your clothes and jewelry on the table when you enter the shower room.


John

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Then in my case they win because I refuse to get an HQL.

Like Kenny Rogers said...you have to know when to hold em and know when to fold em...

G&S has been the law since before most folks on this board were even born...it is folly to think that Hogan can change an almost half century of history with his 'pen and a phone'....

I'm old enough to remember when buying a gun in this state was like buying a screwdriver....heck there were many places where you could buy both...of course I'm also old enough to remember when in Anne Arundel county slot machines were all over the place.

Sometimes you just have to take the path of least resistance...which if gun rights are a compelling issue in one's life then that path is to move to a more 2a friendly place......

Things swung in an ugly direction for a long time. For decades, the Second Amendment has lost ground in this country. That said, it's swinging back our way and swinging back hard. In the mid 80s, CCW was a non-starter for most people in the US. Heck, Texas had stricter carry laws than Maryland does today. Since then, we've gotten to a point where CCW is easy as pie (literally mail-order) for most of the country and even NFA/GCA restrictions are being challenged. The Supreme Court has reaffirmed what we knew all along - that the Second Amendment is an individual right - which has crushed the primary argument of the antis. Now they're in full retreat and are trying hail mary after hail mary to try and find something that will stick, yet they can't even win in the 9th Circus.

Whether you or I give up on Maryland is irrelevant. Within the next few years, Maryland and the other holdouts are going to get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century where individual rights like constitutional carry are respected. You can be pessimistic all you want, but if you'd just step back and look at the larger picture, you'd see very quickly where the momentum is and you'd start to get that amazing feeling of being a kid on the day before Christmas.

I, for one, can't wait to get a big ol' present from Uncle SCOTUS.

 

[HauptsAriba]

When you refuse to get an HQL, they win. When gun owners don't help each other, they win. When we as gun owners can't get anything done politically because we can't agree amongst ourselves. They win, so ask yourself, who do you want to win?

See, they already have you conditioned.

Just leave your clothes and jewelry on the table when you enter the shower room.


John[/QUOTE]
Yeah, didn't think I would see you stepping up to help MSI or the cause, clearly, your too busy helping yourself buff your own ego.

So when ( if ever ) MD becomes ( shall issue ) we won't see you getting a permit, right? Just like we didn't see you getting the required credentials to train people for their HQL' as you claim you did, doesn't that make you ( if your telling the truth) a .......conditioner? No, your above all of that, as somehow, in your mind, the license from the MSP that makes you legally capable to train people for their HQL's is somehow different. Right? Either that, or your just full of shit.

Not only that, but you are one of those types that likes to try to put other gun owners down, somehow elevating yourself in your own twisted Ego. That makes you as bad as the antis. How are you helping the cause? Your not buddy. An opportunity to help the cause was just laid at your feet, you didn't even comment, why? Because you were called out, and now your avoiding the issue.

So your either full of shit, or a total hypocrite, or both.

 

[vinjet700]

By refusing to get one, or to assist others in doing so, you are facilitating the desired effect of the legislation in the first place. Your philosophy of.....well show those anti gunners, we will never buy handguns again, and we will make it as difficult as possible for people entering the culture to do so...is giving them EXACTLY what they want. You should know that one of the major goals of MSI right now is to get as many people trained to be MSP certified handgun trainers so that they can donate HQL training to combat the effect of the HQL law on the culture itself. Are you an MSI member? Sounds like they could use your training credentials to advance the cause, if that's something that interests you.

Yes, I have an HQL, and a few other govt issued ID's. I also have a drivers license, because, you know, I'm not going to stop going places, just like I'm not going to stop buying firearms. I don't consider it a reasonable thing to do, to get an HQL, just as I don't consider it reasonable to never purchase a handgun again. What is unreasonable, is gun owners not helping each other out. THAT is an unreasonable thing to do.

When you refuse to get an HQL, they win. When gun owners don't help each other, they win. When we as gun owners can't get anything done politically because we can't agree amongst ourselves. They win, so ask yourself, who do you want to win?

no one is winning in this scenario. I don't have my HQL and not sure I will, but that is my choice.
Having a drivers license vs an HQL, in my opinion, is not apples to apples.
A drivers license is not a constitutional right. It is a privilege.
I know many disagree with me as you can see in this thread and others and various conversations ive had with MDS members and non members, but I feel it is just another way to limit my right.
There are many members here, in various organizations, that don't have not will not get their HQL either and they have their own reasons, but ultimately NO ONE is winning in this scenario. Buy or don't buy, HQL or no HQL, it will be a long, drawn out state of affairs.

 

[John from MD]

You don't know me, or what I have done, and don't know how active I am so you shouldn't bring that into the conversation.

The fact remains that the GA will look at the number of HQLs and, using their liberal logic, will state that it hasn't burdened anyone so it is ok.

Appeasement doesn't work. It didn't in 1939 and it doesn't now.

John

 

[Mark75H]

In a "Catch-22" situation, it doesn't matter what you do. There are no winners, only losers no matter what you do - follow your own conscience and be at peace with yourself

 

[HauptsAriba]

You don't know me, or what I have done, and don't know how active I am so you shouldn't bring that into the conversation.

The fact remains that the GA will look at the number of HQLs and, using their liberal logic, will state that it hasn't burdened anyone so it is ok.

Appeasement doesn't work. It didn't in 1939 and it doesn't now.

John

Your right! I don't know you, or what you have done, or how active you are in the movement or what your credentials are. That works both ways, doesn't it?

All I know is what you show me here. In one sentence you claim to have trained people for their HQL's while criticizing me for considering one or having one. A better example of a double standard ( hypocrisy ) I cannot imagine.

I disagree with your notion that pushing away new gun owners is a good idea, and you relate me to a holocaust victim for getting a license, do you not have a license to teach? You don't have a carry permit? You have no credentials related to arms whatsoever? Hmm....

I disagree with your logic on the HQL. And so do the people working to advance our rights in this State. I thought you were one of them, my mistake.

 

[PapiBarcelona]

 

[danb]

services - 2 miles, or 2 weeks?

 

[LoneRanger]

Things swung in an ugly direction for a long time. For decades, the Second Amendment has lost ground in this country. That said, it's swinging back our way and swinging back hard. In the mid 80s, CCW was a non-starter for most people in the US. Heck, Texas had stricter carry laws than Maryland does today. Since then, we've gotten to a point where CCW is easy as pie (literally mail-order) for most of the country and even NFA/GCA restrictions are being challenged. The Supreme Court has reaffirmed what we knew all along - that the Second Amendment is an individual right - which has crushed the primary argument of the antis. Now they're in full retreat and are trying hail mary after hail mary to try and find something that will stick, yet they can't even win in the 9th Circus.

Whether you or I give up on Maryland is irrelevant. Within the next few years, Maryland and the other holdouts are going to get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century where individual rights like constitutional carry are respected. You can be pessimistic all you want, but if you'd just step back and look at the larger picture, you'd see very quickly where the momentum is and you'd start to get that amazing feeling of being a kid on the day before Christmas.

I, for one, can't wait to get a big ol' present from Uncle SCOTUS.

I'm 100% with you...I'm a Constitutionalist at heart and do not believe the states have the right to enact any gun control laws....nor for that matter does the federal government...the second amendment is pretty clear, at least to me...and if the federal government wants a change to it then the Constitution needs to be amended.

My point is that Larry Hogan is not going to change Maryland history. It would be political suicide for him to declare self defense as G&S so long as the majority of the general assembly is anti 2a.

One day, maybe in my lifetime, the SCOTUS will declare the right to keep and bear arms means just what it says.

 

[Gryphon]

Dan Bongino was being interviewed by C4 about 20 minutes ago on WBAL 1090 radio, and was asked whether he would accept an appointment as MSP Superintendent. I thought Bongino would duck the question, but instead he very clearly answered by saying "I haven't been offered the job, but I would be honored to be the MSP Superintendent."

 

[gamer_jim]

Doesn't MSP Superintendent have to be confirmed by legislature?

 

[Inigoes]

Doesn't MSP Superintendent have to be confirmed by legislature?

Only the Senate

 

[trailman]

Gun clubs not letting their grounds be used for HQL training is a bad call. Who is this hurting? The culture, us, by inhibiting the production of new gun owners we are arresting the growth of the culture and the community. Frankly, it's just stupid. If I were interested in getting into guns and my first experience was a big resounding NO from the local club, that would end my desire to take up an interest in guns.

We are our own worst enemy at times.

If a club isn't teaching a HQL course how would you know who what or why? The point is to not have the resources available to the State. We as a community have alleviated the burden of the classes, I would have thought from your posts you would understand that since you claim to be some kind of card toting super training genius.

 

[trailman]

See, they already have you conditioned.

Just leave your clothes and jewelry on the table when you enter the shower room.


John

Yeah, didn't think I would see you stepping up to help MSI or the cause, clearly, your too busy helping yourself buff your own ego.

So when ( if ever ) MD becomes ( shall issue ) we won't see you getting a permit, right? Just like we didn't see you getting the required credentials to train people for their HQL' as you claim you did, doesn't that make you ( if your telling the truth) a .......conditioner? No, your above all of that, as somehow, in your mind, the license from the MSP that makes you legally capable to train people for their HQL's is somehow different. Right? Either that, or your just full of shit.

Not only that, but you are one of those types that likes to try to put other gun owners down, somehow elevating yourself in your own twisted Ego. That makes you as bad as the antis. How are you helping the cause? Your not buddy. An opportunity to help the cause was just laid at your feet, you didn't even comment, why? Because you were called out, and now your avoiding the issue.

So your either full of shit, or a total hypocrite, or both.

In clinical terms I think they call this projection.

 

[trailman]

Having a drivers license vs an HQL, in my opinion, is not apples to apples.

A drivers license is not a constitutional right. It is a privilege.

I know many disagree with me as you can see in this thread and others and various conversations ive had with MDS members and non members, but I feel it is just another way to limit my right.
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HA needs to pass a basic civics course, maybe study history and the constitution some. This is a civil rights issue and too many poeple want to fight the battle in the have my cake and eat it mode.

 

[Mark75H]

Imagine if you had to have a permit to purchase, read and possess a newspaper