Is .40 S&W DOA?

[Threeband]

Tex shot himself with a 1911
Quick draw and obviously disengaged the safety too early

I believe he was switching back and forth between a 1911 in a Serpa holster and a Glock in a Safariland ALS holster.

He got his muscle memory mixed up and hit the safety on the 1911 instead of the ALS release, and apparently hooked his finger into the trigger guard by misusing the Serpa release.

So it was stacking errors and conflicting systems. Good reason to keep things simple.

He did have the honesty and confidence to go public, in order that people could learn from his mistakes. I think that speaks well of him. In return, he became a laughingstock and a three-second video clip that will never die.

Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

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That MoCo desk pop sounds like BS to me.




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[JoeyBimmer]

I did not read the thread.

OP, yes. Basically. It has been deadish for a while.

 

[brianns]

I took my Glock 22 out the other day when this thread started. The .40 in this Glock has a good rhythm for quick follow up shots that stay on target. I still aim a lot but there’s some good amount of instinctive shooting this pistol can help me with.

It’s almost better to point and shoot than aim. Years ago I found this to be true in a IPSC match.

I’ve had this pistol for almost 30 yrs. It was my first pistol ever bought and first new firearm bought.

 

[John from MD]

I took my Glock 22 out the other day when this thread started. The .40 in this Glock has a good rhythm for quick follow up shots that stay on target. I still aim a lot but there’s some good amount of instinctive shooting this pistol can help me with.

It’s almost better to point and shoot than aim. Years ago I found this to be true in a IPSC match.

I’ve had this pistol for almost 30 yrs. It was my first pistol ever bought and first new firearm bought. View attachment 392392

Did you at least put good sights on it? I carried a 27 for a few years and was surprised how well it shot the .40 round. If they had all the aftermarket trigger stuff back then, I probably would have kept it.

 

[brianns]

Did you at least put good sights on it? I carried a 27 for a few years and was surprised how well it shot the .40 round. If they had all the aftermarket trigger stuff back then, I probably would have kept it.

It has some old trijicon sights that need replacing. I do have a replacement trigger bar too. Speaking of old sights. I bought the trijicons from Valley Guns when they had a Glock Rep there who installed them for me.

A thing I don’t like about the stock sights is the front blade is so wide I can’t easily tell if it’s centered by a seeing a little space on either side. The trijicons were better for that.

I got a G20gen4 that I had Glock night sights put on that one.

 

[brianns]

G20gen4 pre firearm safety act purchase.
Btw, the gen 4s have replaceable back straps.

 

[John from MD]

You wonder why Glock kept putting those trash sights on after people bitched and bitched about them.

 

[JohnnyE]

Tight groups are possible with a .40 Glock 27.3 at 7yards.

 

[brianns]

You wonder why Glock kept putting those trash sights on after people bitched and bitched about them.

Maybe it matched the general clunkiness of the pistol’s style?? Probably decent enough for point and shoot.

 

[brianns]

Tight groups are possible with a .40 Glock 27.3 at 7yards.

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Wow! That’s some excellent control!

 

[JohnnyE]

Wow! That’s some excellent control!

Thanks! I was raised from age eight that your pistol should be a handful. If it's easy to shoot, it you're not pushing yourself. you're not using enough horsepower and improving.

 

[Mr. B]

Thanks! I was raised from age eight that your pistol should be a handful. If it's easy to shoot, it you're not pushing yourself. you're not using enough horsepower and improving.

I like that philosophy. I'm gonna adopt it as I bring out my 40's for a second spin around the block.

 

[John from MD]

Tight groups are possible with a .40 Glock 27.3 at 7yards.

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I know that. I once almost beat Mas Ayoob and he was shooting a full size 1911.

 

[JohnnyE]

I like that philosophy. I'm gonna adopt it as I bring out my 40's for a second spin around the block.

I know that. I once almost beat Mas Ayoob and he was shooting a full size 1911.

Cool!

I've spent years reading the caliber wars. Sure, accuracy matters, but so does energy. If you hit your target square in the forehead with a spitball, he's not going down. If you miss with a .44 mag, same result.

You need energy delivered with accuracy into the target. Either one alone won't get the job done. .500 Win mag misses are no good, nor are spitballs into the eyeball. Pick your compromise. I chose the the highest horsepower I can deliver with accuracy. YMMV.

 

[Mr. B]

Cool!

I've spent years reading the caliber wars. Sure, accuracy matters, but so does energy. If you hit your target square in the forehead with a spitball, he's not going down. If you miss with a .44 mag, same result.

You need energy delivered with accuracy into the target. Either one alone won't get the job done. .500 Win mag misses are no good, nor are spitballs into the eyeball. Pick your compromise. I chose the the highest horsepower I can deliver with accuracy. YMMV.

To expound - my first handgun was a Glock 23. It was around 30 years ago. I was inexperienced and followed what the gun magazines said. But it was a light gun and snappy with the 500 ft lb Winchester Silvertips I got at Walmart. Not to mention the cutout on the front of the grip chew up my pinky.

Set it aside but now I'm revisiting with a fresh 357 vs 38 perspective.

 

[JohnnyE]

To expound - my first handgun was a Glock 23. It was around 30 years ago. I was inexperienced and followed what the gun magazines said. But it was a light gun and snappy with the 500 ft lb Winchester Silvertips I got at Walmart. Not to mention the cutout on the front of the grip chew up my pinky.

Set it aside but now I'm revisiting with a fresh 357 vs 38 perspective.

Experience is a significant factor to raise. I had about 30 years of experience firing .357 magnum revolvers before I tried my first .40, so to me it was nothing. Moving up to .357 all those years ago was incremental, but frankly it was so long ago I cannot remember what that was like.

 

[beretta_maven]

I carry a .40 P229, but I'm looking for a
sub compact in .40, and hammer fired.
The choices are limited. I'm really not
comfortable with a 9mm. A lot more
choices in .45 sub compact, but that means
adding another caliber. I was hoping to
avoid that. I hear everyone say that 9mm
has improved, and is as capable as .40 & .45,
but I'm looking at balistics and gel test videos
and I'm not seeing it.

I actually have an M&P Compact (1.0, not the 2.0) in .40, with a 9mm conversion barrel and mags for both. I am getting ready to sell it since I also have an M&P 2.0 4" (.40) compact and 2.0 M&P subcompact (9mm). I also have an Apex trigger upgrade for it that I haven't installed yet.

PM me if you are interested.

 

[Harrys]

Tight groups are possible with a .40 Glock 27.3 at 7yards.

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K40 at 6 yards been shooting it for 10 years just gets better with age and practice.

 

[DelawareGold]

Just came back from the gun shop,
(was looking for a Beretta PX4 SC in .40)
and the manager said he won't stock .40 pistola's.
The round is dead.?
Only thing selling is 9mm, so that's what he stocks.
I was shocked! Is that the general consensus?
Is .40 and .45 DOA? Did I get that old

This was the original post, my son an I were at
gun shop 1, (Lets call it Y-Ring), 3 weeks ago,
and Since I have shot .40's since the 1990's
I was very suprised that the store had nothing
in that caliber to show me, and that is why I
posted this thread.
Last week, my son and I were at the range,
(lets call it WalletMaster) and I ordered us
a lane, and 100 rounds of .40 range ammo.
The person serving us, told us the only
.40 he has is Remington Golden Sabre Hollow
Point at $49.99 / box ($99.98 for 100 Rounds)
In my suprise, I asked, you don't have .40 range
ammo? He said we don't stock it because nobody
shoots it. I haven't been to every shop in the tri-
state area, but the two I have been have both
said it's 9mm or .45 or nothing. On a side note.
I went to (lets call it Cafellas) to get some .410
shot shells, and found nothing other than 12ga,
and 20ga. I ased if the .410 was stored in a
different location, and I was told, we don't stock
it becase nobody shoots it. Just crazy!

 

[Meditator]

Experience is a significant factor to raise. I had about 30 years of experience firing .357 magnum revolvers before I tried my first .40, so to me it was nothing. Moving up to .357 all those years ago was incremental, but frankly it was so long ago I cannot remember what that was like.

The funny thing is I have been shooting G30 (45acp) since it first came out, sold it, bought SF, sold it, bought it back ..... etc Anyway, took G30 and SA 1911 again to the range a month ago, after NOT shooting it past few years, bought my Ruger SR40 too. After 25 rds, I realized I didn't enjoy 45acp as I used to- recoil on G30 felt a handful- same Geco 230 grn as I been using for years. Went through 150 rds of 40 165/180 grains and it actually was more enjoyable.

.357 Magnum is another story, haven't shot it for over 10 years, mainly due to cost of ammo. But cost of 40 is slightly more than 9, but still quite cheaper than 45acp, which is the reason why I shoot more .40 cal (also to feed my Glock 10mm regulary).

If anyone wants some cheap ammo to practice, here's a link (bought a few cases from them with no issue before): 40cal $.30/ round
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