Sewer Rat
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Derwood, where is the breeder??? That looks like a sika in the one pic.. are they "local"? Ditto on the blood trailing and sheds.
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0nesh0t
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Anyone owned and hunted over a standard poodle? If so, please advise on breeder you chose. Thanks.
Here is a quick update since some people are interested.
I picked up the Drahthaar puppy on Friday. Of course she is still just a young pup, but she's clearly got the pointing, searching and hunting instincts. I met up with some others who own these dogs on Sunday and we put a quail in a field for her. She found it quickly and showed an intense desire to bite/taste/chase/enjoy the quail. I watched the older dogs do practice hunts with chuckars and quails; they are amazing specimens.
For what it's worth, she is also very affectionate and just overall seems like she's going to be a really nice pet. She's been friendly with every person and dog she has seen. I suppose most puppies are like that, but the fact that she has shown no fear of anything or anyone probably means something.
Here is a little information on the breed for anyone interested.
http://vommoorehaus.com/drahthaar.php
ABOUT THE DEUTSCH DRAHTHAAR
Quite often I speak with individuals that are somewhat confused with the versatile dog concept. The Truly Versatile dog, in this case is the Deutsche Drahthaar, is a dog in which a single pup can be properly trained for hunting upland game, waterfowl and furred game. It is not uncommon for a Deutsche Drahthaar owner to hunt waterfowl at the crack of dawn, hunt upland game, and blood track a wounded deer all in the same day with the same dog!!
In the United States we have become accustom to hunting with so called specialist i.e. retrievers, pointers, and tracking dogs. Very often I talk with people that state that they have hunted with a friends Labrador that (in their words) can’t handle field work like a pointer..??? Don’t blame the dog he is out of his element, they were not designed for that type of work. Instead, credit the dog for his effort and question the dog’s owner about his selection process for his type of hunting.
While not a totally new concept to North America the versatile dog is steadily increasing as the first choice amongst the serious hunter that demands a competent dog for the various types of hunting that he/she will need a dog for. One dog specifically designed for this type of hunter is the Deutsch Drahthaar. European hunters and more specifically the German hunter has for the last 100 years raised the bar for their expectations of a Truly Versatile hunting dog. While this was not easy in the beginning due to the many nay sayers, the VDD has persevered and what is more amazing in this day and time, the bar has not been lowered!!
The idea...a breed emerges
The Deutsch-Drahthaar (DD) began with the idea of developing a breed from the existing individual hunting specialists that would be universal and could do all the practical hunting tasks. Among the ancestors of the Deutsch-Drahthaar belong the old Water Poodle and the English Pointer. At the end of the 18th Century, a robust, fully usable dog was created in Germany from the best of the existing coarse hair breeds, Pudelpointer, Stichelhaar, and Griffon, and bred with the Deutsch Kurzhaar.
Hegewald...performance counts
The spiritual father of the Drahthaar, Freiherr Sigismund of Zedlitz and Neukirch, also called Hegewald, demanded that the primary breeding goal of the hunting dog be versatile performance ability. His thoughts became the principle of Drahthaar breeding: "through performance to standard.""Mony" Harmonia vom Drosselbart - Deutsch Drahthaar
The Hegewald breeding test is known because of him. Yearly at this international fall breeding test, the strongest performing young dogs are presented from within and outside of Germany for critical comparison and to give information about the status of the Drahthaar breed.
Intelligence and calmness...the way to success
The Drahthaar is the most frequently used hunting dog by the hunting establishment in Germany, and that is not without reason: The versatile work range of the all-around dog demands an intelligent, mentally flexible dog. Endurance and a will to obey, as well as the ability to concentrate on work, characterize this robust fellow in the coarse jacket. When others quit, work is just beginning for him. As a dog that can be used universally for a full range of tasks and as a dog for the work after the shot, the Drahthaar is unsurpassed. He brings to the hunt many specialties.
Born...to hunt
The Drahthaar is a passionate hunting dog with industry and endurance, calm by nature, friendly in relations. As with every genuine working dog, however, he needs legitimate specialty training and guidance. Only when given sufficient activity does he feel content.
Today, it is also important that the Drahthaar be a pleasant companion for other aspects of life. He is friendly and self-aware with regard to people and other breeds. The Drahthaar is gentle with children and a suitable family dog. He is no problem to keep in the kennel or the house.
Hunting performance...not just a pointer
Persistently and methodically the Drahthaar searches the field with a sensitive nose. He shows the game he finds by pointing. In the forest and water he performs exemplary hunting tasks. In particular he exhibits the characteristics of a retriever of lost game. He does this by his ability to pursue wounded game persistently and uncompromisingly and to follow under the most difficult conditions in order to save the game from unnecessary suffering. Just by choosing the Deutsch-Drahthaar breed, the work after the shot is capably assigned. His obedience and concentration abilities make him particularly suited for hard work. Consequently the Drahthaar is not only a pointer but a truly many faceted dog.
By every type of hunt, and in all weather conditions, he is a true companion. Conforming to animal protection and skill hunting requirements is possible to and exceptional degree with this all-around dog.
Breed standard...through performance to standard
Hunting dogs need a healthy, performance capable body and a reliable nature to fulfill their purpose. The Drahthaar is a mid-sized, dog with robust health.
The shoulder height varies for the male from around 61 to 68 cm, for the female from around 57 to 64 cm.
The wiry, tightly fit hair, with thick under wool, offers optimal protection from external influences such as moisture, heat and cold, as well as thorns and sharp cornered reeds.
The dark eyes with the extended eye brow as well as the typical beard give the Drahthaar his characteristic appearance.
The Deutsch-Drahthaar has a variety of colorations: brown and gray, black and gray, and brown with and without white breast spots.
The VDD...The Deutsch-Drahthaar Organization, e.V. (registered club)
The organization was founded in May 1902. With over 10,000 members, it is the largest hunting dog breeders organization. The Verein Deutsch-Drahthaar (VDD) is a member of the Jagdgebrauchshundeverband (Hunting Dog User Association) (JGHV) and associated with the Verband fur das deutsche Hundewesen (Association for German Dog Affairs) (VDH) and the FCI. The club has 34 regional groups belonging to it in many countries, including USA and Canada.
I picked up the Drahthaar puppy on Friday. Of course she is still just a young pup, but she's clearly got the pointing, searching and hunting instincts. I met up with some others who own these dogs on Sunday and we put a quail in a field for her. She found it quickly and showed an intense desire to bite/taste/chase/enjoy the quail. I watched the older dogs do practice hunts with chuckars and quails; they are amazing specimens.
For what it's worth, she is also very affectionate and just overall seems like she's going to be a really nice pet. She's been friendly with every person and dog she has seen. I suppose most puppies are like that, but the fact that she has shown no fear of anything or anyone probably means something.
Here is a little information on the breed for anyone interested.
http://vommoorehaus.com/drahthaar.php
ABOUT THE DEUTSCH DRAHTHAAR
Quite often I speak with individuals that are somewhat confused with the versatile dog concept. The Truly Versatile dog, in this case is the Deutsche Drahthaar, is a dog in which a single pup can be properly trained for hunting upland game, waterfowl and furred game. It is not uncommon for a Deutsche Drahthaar owner to hunt waterfowl at the crack of dawn, hunt upland game, and blood track a wounded deer all in the same day with the same dog!!
In the United States we have become accustom to hunting with so called specialist i.e. retrievers, pointers, and tracking dogs. Very often I talk with people that state that they have hunted with a friends Labrador that (in their words) can’t handle field work like a pointer..??? Don’t blame the dog he is out of his element, they were not designed for that type of work. Instead, credit the dog for his effort and question the dog’s owner about his selection process for his type of hunting.
While not a totally new concept to North America the versatile dog is steadily increasing as the first choice amongst the serious hunter that demands a competent dog for the various types of hunting that he/she will need a dog for. One dog specifically designed for this type of hunter is the Deutsch Drahthaar. European hunters and more specifically the German hunter has for the last 100 years raised the bar for their expectations of a Truly Versatile hunting dog. While this was not easy in the beginning due to the many nay sayers, the VDD has persevered and what is more amazing in this day and time, the bar has not been lowered!!
The idea...a breed emerges
The Deutsch-Drahthaar (DD) began with the idea of developing a breed from the existing individual hunting specialists that would be universal and could do all the practical hunting tasks. Among the ancestors of the Deutsch-Drahthaar belong the old Water Poodle and the English Pointer. At the end of the 18th Century, a robust, fully usable dog was created in Germany from the best of the existing coarse hair breeds, Pudelpointer, Stichelhaar, and Griffon, and bred with the Deutsch Kurzhaar.
Hegewald...performance counts
The spiritual father of the Drahthaar, Freiherr Sigismund of Zedlitz and Neukirch, also called Hegewald, demanded that the primary breeding goal of the hunting dog be versatile performance ability. His thoughts became the principle of Drahthaar breeding: "through performance to standard.""Mony" Harmonia vom Drosselbart - Deutsch Drahthaar
The Hegewald breeding test is known because of him. Yearly at this international fall breeding test, the strongest performing young dogs are presented from within and outside of Germany for critical comparison and to give information about the status of the Drahthaar breed.
Intelligence and calmness...the way to success
The Drahthaar is the most frequently used hunting dog by the hunting establishment in Germany, and that is not without reason: The versatile work range of the all-around dog demands an intelligent, mentally flexible dog. Endurance and a will to obey, as well as the ability to concentrate on work, characterize this robust fellow in the coarse jacket. When others quit, work is just beginning for him. As a dog that can be used universally for a full range of tasks and as a dog for the work after the shot, the Drahthaar is unsurpassed. He brings to the hunt many specialties.
Born...to hunt
The Drahthaar is a passionate hunting dog with industry and endurance, calm by nature, friendly in relations. As with every genuine working dog, however, he needs legitimate specialty training and guidance. Only when given sufficient activity does he feel content.
Today, it is also important that the Drahthaar be a pleasant companion for other aspects of life. He is friendly and self-aware with regard to people and other breeds. The Drahthaar is gentle with children and a suitable family dog. He is no problem to keep in the kennel or the house.
Hunting performance...not just a pointer
Persistently and methodically the Drahthaar searches the field with a sensitive nose. He shows the game he finds by pointing. In the forest and water he performs exemplary hunting tasks. In particular he exhibits the characteristics of a retriever of lost game. He does this by his ability to pursue wounded game persistently and uncompromisingly and to follow under the most difficult conditions in order to save the game from unnecessary suffering. Just by choosing the Deutsch-Drahthaar breed, the work after the shot is capably assigned. His obedience and concentration abilities make him particularly suited for hard work. Consequently the Drahthaar is not only a pointer but a truly many faceted dog.
By every type of hunt, and in all weather conditions, he is a true companion. Conforming to animal protection and skill hunting requirements is possible to and exceptional degree with this all-around dog.
Breed standard...through performance to standard
Hunting dogs need a healthy, performance capable body and a reliable nature to fulfill their purpose. The Drahthaar is a mid-sized, dog with robust health.
The shoulder height varies for the male from around 61 to 68 cm, for the female from around 57 to 64 cm.
The wiry, tightly fit hair, with thick under wool, offers optimal protection from external influences such as moisture, heat and cold, as well as thorns and sharp cornered reeds.
The dark eyes with the extended eye brow as well as the typical beard give the Drahthaar his characteristic appearance.
The Deutsch-Drahthaar has a variety of colorations: brown and gray, black and gray, and brown with and without white breast spots.
The VDD...The Deutsch-Drahthaar Organization, e.V. (registered club)
The organization was founded in May 1902. With over 10,000 members, it is the largest hunting dog breeders organization. The Verein Deutsch-Drahthaar (VDD) is a member of the Jagdgebrauchshundeverband (Hunting Dog User Association) (JGHV) and associated with the Verband fur das deutsche Hundewesen (Association for German Dog Affairs) (VDH) and the FCI. The club has 34 regional groups belonging to it in many countries, including USA and Canada.
Yea! So glad to hear you finally picked up your pup. Beautiful dog. Hope I helped, I think I did? Congrats!
You need to make that puppy's face your avatar.
Yes! Congrats. Need more pictures of the pup...please.
http://www.gundogmag.com/breeds/german-breeds-for-next-gun-dog/ Another article on the breed.
Funny, my wife said that when I do get mine, she said it has to be a male. Because of the 'stache. Again, good looking pup.
fabsroman
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This twice over. I have a nearly 13 year old lab. He has part of the Candlewood line in him and I bought him on the eastern shore. Not cheap, but in his younger years he was awesome. He still listens really well and he has been great around my kids that are 9, 7, and 3 years old. I have not hunted with him for the past couple of years because of his age.
A buddy of mine has a Drathaar, which is pretty much a German wire haired pointer, but better. I've seen his dog work in the field and the dog is amazing. Of course, I am partial to my Nitro.
End of the day, it is like kids. It isn't the amount of money you spend on the dog, but the amount of time you spend training the dog. Of course, you could also spend a small fortune and send the dog off to be trained. A buddy of mine spent $15,000 to have his lab trained, and man was she awesome when she got back from the trainer.
Do your research on the breed you want. Then, do your research on several breeders. Then, do you research on training. Then, train the dog. Then, hunt with the dog a lot.
Me, I have the kids convinced we should get a puppy. We have already picked out a name for the new puppy. Have to convince my wife though.
Photo is of my dad and Nitro when Nitro was 12 weeks old. We had just gotten back from dove hunting. I was using a 20 gauge and shot a bird over his head and he made the retrieve. I was a happy man.
Second photo is of him at 10 weeks old. Took him dove hunting that day too, but he did not make any retrieves.
That winter he made a 200+ yard retrieve on a goose that I thought was a goner. He went over the crest of a hill, I lost sight of him, and then he crested the hill with the goose in his mouth and his tail wagging like crazy.
Sorry for the stroll down memory lane, but it was a nice break from work for me.
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fabsroman
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Really good choice. I'm partial to labs, like I am to Ford. However, GM and Drahthar would be my choice if Ford and Labradors vanish from the Earth.
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