HK to release new SP89 clone! !

[OrbitalEllipses]

Do we know pricing on the HK ones yet? I fully expect an HK tax, but do we know how much it's going to be?

$2700 retail, from the pic (http://soldiersystems.net/2016/05/06/could-it-be-a-commercial-hk-mp5k/) which is official HK-USA literature.

 

[fred333]

Based on the photos, it looks like HK's new version's got a shelf lower (sans the mag release lever) as opposed to the correct pin lower (and mag release lever), as in the MKE version (below). Although it'd be nice to have an HK-stamped receiver, I think I'll stick to MKE...

 

[wailer]

Hopefully this will drop the clone market into the sub $1000's.

Maybe not sub 1k, but tides maybe turning none the less, its now the cheapest I've seen in quite a while and HK has not dropped their offering yet to the civilian market.

https://www.slickguns.com/product/fedarm-pof-smg-mp5-semi-automatic-9mm-pistol-149999

 

[Boss94]

I can't see where it says it's a roller lock. Some of the cheaper 1s are direct blow back. If anyone knows for sure please chime I'm

 

[wailer]

I can't see where it says it's a roller lock. Some of the cheaper 1s are direct blow back. If anyone knows for sure please chime I'm

If you mean the Fedarm POF MP5 clone yes it's a roller lock and specs are readily available all over the web.

 

[smdub]

POFs are the real deal.

 

[erwos]

It's not looking good for us buying the SP-5k as a pistol.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/foghorn/hk-dishes-details-sp5k-u-s-civilian-mp5k/

Another change is in the receiver. There’s a rail welded on the inside of the receiver to prevent a proper full auto bolt assembly from being installed, accepting only the neutered semi-auto roller system.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is going to be enough, because, IIRC, the SP-89 came with a semi-auto carrier, too. That makes them parts interchangeable. If the SP-89 had come with a full auto carrier, we would have been in the clear.

 

[fred333]

There’s a rail welded on the inside of the receiver to prevent a proper full auto bolt assembly from being installed

It sounds like HK just copied what Zenith did, which allowed them to fit the standard pinned (as opposed to shelf) lower. Therefore, any standard HK lower becomes an option, which seems a very reasonable compromise:

 

[smdub]

It sounds like HK just copied what Zenith did

I don't think so. There is no front pushpin in any of the pics. If there were, there would be a paddle mag release. So looks like MKE/Zenith one-upped HK. But the carrier block sounds the same.

 

[fred333]

There is no front pushpin in any of the pics. If there were, there would be a paddle mag release. So looks like MKE/Zenith one-upped HK. But the carrier block sounds the same.

That's unbelievable. If the HK's as you describe, I think they're gonna be sittin' on a lotta expensive, unsold guns.

 

[Combloc]

Without question, the MKE/POF offerings are closer to what the design was intended to be IMO.

 

[Wayne1one]

So Zenith just announced that their Z5P and Z5K pistols are now on the roster! That changes everything!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BF1vl5QoQvM/?taken-by=zenithfirearms&hl=en

 

[Boss94]

You will love it! !! Very smooth shooter. !!

 

[subzero]

Do zenith comes with 10 round mags?

 

[ST19AG_WGreymon]

Do zenith comes with 10 round mags?

No.

 

[Hawkeye]

So Zenith just announced that their Z5P and Z5K pistols are now on the roster! That changes everything!!!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BF1vl5QoQvM/?taken-by=zenithfirearms&hl=en

Weren't they before though? I though that there were (Maryland) members here who had them.

I *really* want a Z5RS SBR for a suppressor host...

 

[Wayne1one]

Weren't they before though? I though that there were (Maryland) members here who had them.

I *really* want a Z5RS SBR for a suppressor host...

The Z5RS and Z43P were the only ones listed. The assumption was that the Z5P and the K models were copies of the SP89 which is banned as a machine pistol, same rationale as the IWI UZI Pro.

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[erwos]

The Z5RS and Z43P were the only ones listed. The assumption was that the Z5P and the K models were copies of the SP89 which is banned as a machine pistol, same rationale as the IWI UZI Pro.

The IWI Uzi Pro is not even remotely 100% parts compatible with the original Uzi pistol. It's a side charger that uses different mags. If the board could get past the Uzi name, it'd be for sale in MD, no question.

 

[Wayne1one]

The IWI Uzi Pro is not even remotely 100% parts compatible with the original Uzi pistol. It's a side charger that uses different mags. If the board could get past the Uzi name, it'd be for sale in MD, no question.

I'm with you on that.... Bad example I guess.

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[smdub]

Good news but I just don't understand how. Its like the (CSA) vz 61 listed on the handgun roster, yet "Skorpion semiautomatic pistol" is listed on the assault pistol list. I could maybe see allowing it in the new calibers but the handgun roster has it in all three (including the orig.) Is the handgun roster as non-binding as the assault weapon list now is? So if they goof up, its still on you for breaking the law? There is still no way I'd own one of these in MD w/o it being an AOW or SBR (yes, I know you have to jump through hoops to make it 29")