HB0004 Rifles and Shotguns - Secondary Transactions

[BeoBill]

Fat Larry is too busy acting like a big shot nationally and smearing Trump locally to veto the bills. The coward will just let them become law in three weeks.

 

[jc1240]

Fat Larry is too busy acting like a big shot nationally and smearing Trump locally to veto the bills. The coward will just let them become law in three weeks.

I was so gung-ho for LCL back in his first campaign. He sure fooled me. I am absolutely disappointed in him.

You and others are right. The coward will let them become law by ignoring them. He certainly could take a few minutes to veto key bills that go against constitutional rights, but he's too busy campaigning for '24.

 

[Art3]

I was so gung-ho for LCL back in his first campaign. He sure fooled me. I am absolutely disappointed in him.

You and others are right. The coward will let them become law by ignoring them. He certainly could take a few minutes to veto key bills that go against constitutional rights, but he's too busy campaigning for '24.

Agreed on all points

 

[dblas]

I was so gung-ho for LCL back in his first campaign. He sure fooled me. I am absolutely disappointed in him.

You and others are right. The coward will let them become law by ignoring them. He certainly could take a few minutes to veto key bills that go against constitutional rights, but he's too busy campaigning for '24.

Right there with ya.

 

[rockstarr]

Right there with ya.

yup, he fooled a lot of us, homie

 

[dblas]

yup, he fooled a lot of us, homie

Cost me a few beers....oh well, at least they went to good people and good company, and they didn't rib me too hard or too long.

 

[Nickberg500]

I'll delete or move my post if we don't want this on the public forum... But I just reread the bill and realized, this won't prevent us from private selling each other stripped, unused lower receivers right? Because I thought stripped lower receivers are just "firearms" (since they haven't become a pistol or a rifle yet); they aren't "rifles" or "shotguns".

 

[Mark75H]

I'll delete if we don't want this on the public forum... But I just reread the bill and realized, this won't prevent us from private selling each other stripped, unused lower receivers right? Because I thought stripped lower receivers are just "firearms" (since they haven't become a pistol or a rifle yet); they aren't "rifles" or "shotguns".

Might be fuzzy enough to require a court test. Are you volunteering to be the test case?

 

[Steel Hunter]

Might be fuzzy enough to require a court test. Are you volunteering to be the test case?

After reading the US code, I don't think it's fuzzy at a federal level. That said though, I don't know what nonsense is written into HB0004.

18 U.S. Code § 921

(7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

A stripped lower isn't a rifle under the definition of "rifle" in US code. You can't shoulder it in a meaningful way. You can't fire it or even show an intent to fire it. You don't have a rifled bore (or any bore). You have no trigger.

 

[danb]

I'll delete or move my post if we don't want this on the public forum... But I just reread the bill and realized, this won't prevent us from private selling each other stripped, unused lower receivers right? Because I thought stripped lower receivers are just "firearms" (since they haven't become a pistol or a rifle yet); they aren't "rifles" or "shotguns".

A stripped lower receiver in MD is a regulated firearm and requires a 77r.


So.... NO!

 

[Nickberg500]

After reading the US code, I don't think it's fuzzy at a federal level. That said though, I don't know what nonsense is written into HB0004.

18 U.S. Code § 921

(7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

A stripped lower isn't a rifle under the definition of "rifle" in US code. You can't shoulder it in a meaningful way. You can't fire it or even show an intent to fire it. You don't have a rifled bore (or any bore). You have no trigger.

Exactly, that's what I'm getting at. As long as it's not chambered in 223/556, stripped lowers should still be safe... Wonder if we should get the word out or not.

 

[Nickberg500]

A stripped lower receiver in MD is a regulated firearm and requires a 77r.


So.... NO!

Only 223/556. Other chamber-ings are cash and carry.

 

[Mark75H]

Post 670:

A stripped lower receiver in MD is a regulated firearm and requires a 77r.


So.... NO!

Exactly, that's what I'm getting at. As long as it's not chambered in 223/556, stripped lowers should still be safe... Wonder if we should get the word out or not.

Only 223/556. Other chamber-ings are cash and carry.

As complete rifles, not as stripped receivers

 

[Muleskinner]

I was so gung-ho for LCL back in his first campaign. He sure fooled me. I am absolutely disappointed in him.

You and others are right. The coward will let them become law by ignoring them. He certainly could take a few minutes to veto key bills that go against constitutional rights, but he's too busy campaigning for '24.

Not that it mattered then since he was still the best of two evils...Some of us tried to warn you about getting your hopes up. He told all of us he was anti 2A before he was ever elected. no one wanted to believe it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg17eqc0wu0

 

[rseymorejr]

A stripped lower receiver in MD is a regulated firearm and requires a 77r.


So.... NO!

Only AR-15, right?
I know AR-10 lowers are cash and carry

 

[danb]

Only AR-15, right?
I know AR-10 lowers are cash and carry

so yeah, it would seem that stripped lowers that are not regulated firearms are excluded from 4-201 (definition of rifle).

 

[Muleskinner]

Only 223/556. Other chamber-ings are cash and carry.

Only AR9/10 lowers are cash and carry...AR15 lowers are regulated in any caliber. MOST are marked MULTI CAL...Still a 7 day wait. I just bought 8 of them last month.

 

[Doctor_M]

I have run out of hope that this will be vetoed. This is the one bill I really wanted to die. It is a travesty and an insult to liberty loving people everywhere.

 

[Bertfish]

Said it before I'll say it again

Its liberating to know you won't be following it. Veto or not Larry, idgaf.

 

[jc1240]

That SOB Hogan has time to go on The Daily Show on Comedy Central, but he's still too busy to address these horrible bills. What a dick.

https://www.wcbm.com/2020/04/29/governor-hogan-to-appear-on-comedy-centrals-the-daily-show-tonight/