HB 819 HAndgun Review Board

[welder516]

So is the board gone , am I reading this right .

 

[swinokur]

Still in Senate Committee IIRC.

 

[Abacab]

So is the board gone , am I reading this right .

Not yet. But it's headed that way. Second reader *I think* is just a normal parliamentary course of business. Third is where the actual vote is taken.

 

[Occam]

So how would this play out in real life? I've sent in a hearing request. It probably can't be any more fun than to be caught up in the middle of them changing the rules.

 

[DC-W]

The board is not gone. The house bill is on to its third reading. Senate crossfile hasn’t left committee. Effective date would be 10/01/2018 supposing repeal does pass.

 

[danb]

I do not think it needs to make it out of Senate committee. House can pass this, message the Senate to also pass this.

 

[welder516]

Yeah , I still have not been notified when my hearing is and I sent my paperwork in about Dec. 10th or so (give or take)


They just notified me a week ago they got my certified letter , but gave no date of hearing .

I have to re-new my Maryland permit as well

 

[Zorros]

The board is not gone. The house bill is on to its third reading. Senate crossfile hasn’t left committee. Effective date would be 10/01/2018 supposing repeal does pass.

This is bad. Happy my mini renewal term was just approved. Maybe gov will veto the removal of his power to appoint.

 

[miles71]

Won't it be great if the decisions made by the HGRB were held in future permit renewals so you didn't have to start all over, esp if it is dissolved.

TD

 

[Abacab]

HPRB repeal bill has passed the House 85-50.

 

[zoostation]

I do not think it needs to make it out of Senate committee. House can pass this, message the Senate to also pass this.

Even when bills come across from the other house they still have to go through committee and the three readings.

 

[Pittbull]

I am not sure you know this, but the Maryland Democratic Legislature enabled and funded Dem. Attorney Gen. Brian Frosh to work outside of Gov. Hogan’s authority to battle the Trumo Administration. Where else can a subordinate not have to answer to their boss.......”Maryland”. Atty. Gen. Frosh works with a 10-lawyer team and all paid by the Maryland taxpayers brought forth by the Democratic led Congress. Furthermore, the legislators veto Hogan at will ( a lot). So, a talking point for the Democrats is meaningless. They do not like Gov. Hogan, but he is very popular with voters and they are continually bewildered. The State legislators are so lopsided in favor of the Democrats, it is sickening. Hogan is a likeable business man and he has ushered in favorable by-partisan legislation. Maryland Democrats will have a difficult time beating him.....but this is a terrible biased, sanctuary-leaning, anti-firearm place to live. Nothing ever makes sense in California and Maryland. Nancy Pelosi could easily live here and as crazy as she is...... fits right in.

 

[Rack&Roll]

So is the board gone , am I reading this right .

No!

Not yet. But it's headed that way. Second reader *I think* is just a normal parliamentary course of business. Third is where the actual vote is taken.

The HPRB can survive...but we have to thread a needle. Standby and don't get agitated.

 

[Biggfoot44]

The Attourny General isn't a subordinate of the Governor, it is an independent position.

 

[Zorros]

The bill to eliminate the handgun review bd has initial approval. The result will be appeal to an ALJ of adverse CCW decisions by MSP. While hogan is gov he can direct head of MSP to be somewhat liberal, which i believe is what has ocurred since he was elected ( and still there are appeals to HRB). Once he’s gone so are the liberal issue directions. Then we will be appearing before the ALJ. Since there is no law, stds other than exercise of discretion by MSP, i predict a sea change in the wrong direction because MSP decisions will be upheld. Presumption is that the agency is correct. And for a ct to over. Turn the ALJ there must be “ substantial evidence “ the ALJ erred. This is not a state that believes a person should carry a gun or has a need or right to self defense outside the home. Have u read about the state of balto in the last few years?

 

[Schipperke]

The bill to eliminate the handgun review bd has initial approval. The result will be appeal to an ALJ of adverse CCW decisions by MSP. While hogan is gov he can direct head of MSP to be somewhat liberal, which i believe is what has ocurred since he was elected ( and still there are appeals to HRB). Once he’s gone so are the liberal issue directions. Then we will be appearing before the ALJ. Since there is no law, stds other than exercise of discretion by MSP, i predict a sea change in the wrong direction because MSP decisions will be upheld. Presumption is that the agency is correct. And for a ct to over. Turn the ALJ there must be “ substantial evidence “ the ALJ erred. This is not a state that believes a person should carry a gun or has a need or right to self defense outside the home. Have u read about the state of balto in the last few years?

The head of MSP does act like a Liberal.

 

[danb]

Not sure if this will make it through the Senate. But as I said in the other thread, it was a supreme tactical error IMO for Dems to send up this HPRB bill. Hogan can veto the HPRB bill, and sign the bump stock ban, which passed the house 128-7. Dems will be left with an argument about process on the HPRB, which most people tune out. People will be left with the impression "Hogan took concrete action and Dems argue about process and politics." HPRB was more about grandstanding for the primary anyway.

Mike and Mike are showing their age and need to retire soon.

 

[danb]

HPRB bills dont even get sloppy fourths in the Baltimore Sun:

Gun-control bills pass Maryland House of Delegates

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-gun-bills-pass-20180315-story.html

bump stocks, red flag law (exptreme protection order) and domestic violence surrender law mentioned. Not HPRB.

The fact that these were not mentioned is more validation that this bill is grandstanding for the primary.

 

[Abacab]

Lol

Anyone remember when Brochin was shall issue.

I do.

 

[DC-W]

Here's the vote for HB819
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2018RS/votes/House/0353.pdf

84 Yeas

Jackson
Davis
McCray
Sophocleus
Speaker Busch
Jalisi
Dumais
McIntosh
Stein
Ali
Jameson
Ebersole
Miller, A.
Sydnor
Anderson
Jones
Fennell
Moon
Tarlau
Atterbeary
Kaiser
Frick
Morales
Turner
Barkley
Kelly
Frush
Morhaim
Valderrama
Barnes, B.
Knotts
Gaines
Mosby
Valentino-Smith
Barnes, D.
Korman
Gibson
Patterson
Vallario
Barron
Kramer
Gilchrist
Pena-Melnyk
Waldstreicher
Barve
Krimm
Glenn
Pendergrass
Walker
Beidle
Lafferty
Gutierrez
Platt
Washington, A.
Branch
Lam
Hayes
Proctor
Washington, M.
Brooks
Lewis, J.
Healey
Reznik
Wilkins
Carr
Lewis, R.
Hettleman
Robinson
Wilson
Chang
Lierman
Hill
Rosenberg
Young, K.
Clippinger
Lisanti
Holmes
Sample-Hughes
Young, P.
Conaway
Luedtke
Howard, C.
Sanchez
Cullison

51 Nays

Howard, S.
Ciliberti
McConkey
Reilly
Adams
Impallaria
Clark
McDonough
Rey
Afzali
Jacobs
Cluster
McKay
Rose
Anderton
Kipke
Corderman
McMillan
Saab
Arentz
Kittleman
Fisher
Metzgar
Shoemaker
Aumann
Krebs
Flanagan
Miele
Simonaire
Beitzel
Long
Folden
Miller, W.
Szeliga
Bromwell
Malone
Glass
Morgan
Vogt
Buckel
Mautz
Grammer
Otto
West*
Carey
McComas
Hornberger
Parrott
Wivell
Carozza
Cassilly

Senate Judicial Proceedings hearing hasn't been scheduled yet.