Hate my new Red Dot

[Slackdaddy]

Yeah cant co-witness...but you just helped me though...I held the position as if I was looking for the iron sights and there that dot was...gonna work this some more.

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The Hellcat is a "Co-witness Machine"
I have an original Hellcat OSP with a shield,, The Co-witness has ruined me to all other handguns.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Also, PA now has the Holosun HS507K-X2 with the Vulcan reticle.
The 507 is native mount on the Hellcat,, so the beautiful factory irons will co-witness.

The Vulcan reticle will get you lined up quick

 

[Zaicran]

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The Hellcat is a "Co-witness Machine"
I have an original Hellcat OSP with a shield,, The Co-witness has ruined me to all other handguns.
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cannot co-witness the Hellcat Pro and the optics I have.

 

[sajidakh]

Just get training in a specific red dot course. Sig has great courses for beginners. Very well structured. You will learn the nuances of red dot.

 

[alucard0822]

I was taught "drop the ball in the bucket" during presentation of a handgun to acquire the sights. Meaning as you raise and punch out the pistol, find the front sight dot as it comes into your line of sight, keep raising it till that drops into the rear notch. Of course practicing the draw and presentation to point shoot soon as it clears the holster will greatly speed this up.

For me, I draw and rotate out, as I raise a RD equipped pistol I find the front sight and drop it in the bucket as I always have, at some point I see the front sight in the dot window, at this point you can fire and hit within a couple inches, then as the pistol rises the rear sight and dot are visible and you can make aimed shots. From there it's all grip, recoil and trigger control to get the dot to return to the target after each shot. Takes practice, IMO co-witnessed irons are a requirement on a defensive pistol, eventually you just draw and there is the dot on target without really thinking about it.

 

[Slackdaddy]

cannot co-witness the Hellcat Pro and the optics I have.

Yikes.
The kludge kinda defeats the whole concept of the Hellcat.
The Beauty of the Hellcat is that it sits a native (rmsc) optic low.
The 507K is a rmsc footprint

 

[clandestine]

Take a Modern Samurai Class.

 

[pbharvey]

I found this interesting. I don’t have a red dot pistol and did not realize there was such a steep learning curve.

 

[smokey]

Using sights to find the dot isn't realllllllly the best way because it's still forcing your eyes to the gun and not letting them stay on the target. One of the biggest advantages of a red dot is being able to be focused on the target, with the dot superimposing itself over it.

With a dot, it's kind of all about practicing grip and building muscle memory to point at a target then have your dot show up. Looking at the gun ruins that. It's maybe a time where a rail mounted laser could be of benefit to use for lots and lots of dry fire practice. You want your brain trained to be looking at the target, not looking for the sights on the gun.

 

[outrider58]

Using sights to find the dot isn't realllllllly the best way because it's still forcing your eyes to the gun and not letting them stay on the target. One of the biggest advantages of a red dot is being able to be focused on the target, with the dot superimposing itself over it.

With a dot, it's kind of all about practicing grip and building muscle memory to point at a target then have your dot show up. Looking at the gun ruins that. It's maybe a time where a rail mounted laser could be of benefit to use for lots and lots of dry fire practice. You want your brain trained to be looking at the target, not looking for the sights on the gun.

Exactly. You can use your co-witnessing sights to shoot, but you aren't learning how to shoot a RDS. You're only delaying it.

 

[jokie]

cannot co-witness the Hellcat Pro and the optics I have.

You need an optic that has an RMSc footprint. That will get rid of the bulky adapter between your optic and slide. It will make your optic seat lower than your irons.

 

[outrider58]

You could always sell the Trijicon and buy one of the compatible RDS that the slide is cut for.

 

[hdatontodo]

The Swampfox Sentinel does not need an adapter on my Hellcat, but still blocks the front sight.

Until finding the dot is automatic, I push out pointing slightly up and then bring the front down.

See https://www.thearmorylife.com/swampfox-sentinel-your-next-hellcat-red-dot/


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[erwos]

Take a Modern Samurai Class.

Excuse me, I was told that 2 day performance-oriented classes were ableist and elitist, and advocating them made you a terrible person. That said, you're not wrong, and there are some interim options that local trainer outfits (JDC, Green Ops, etc.) offer that will also help. I think MSP is a great option, but you want to be reasonably dialed in to get the most out of it.

Ultimately, it's going to come down to dry-firing regularly and really dialing in that index.

 

[ground chuck]

I have a holsun on my hellcat pro and just keep practicing. You should quickly figure out where to draw to to be able to line up. Holsun allows for cowitness.

 

[Zaicran]

Yikes.
The kludge kinda defeats the whole concept of the Hellcat.
The Beauty of the Hellcat is that it sits a native (rmsc) optic low.
The 507K is a rmsc footprint

Good to know. Unfortunately I listened to the armorer at the gun shop I bought both the Hellcat from and the Trijicon. Lessoned learned. Trijicon RMRcc for sale…lol

 

[Zaicran]

Now THAT is what this forum is all about. Cool!

And I am even better today. I woke up at 4am stumbled to go pee…walked by my office and picked it up and went right to the dot. BUT, I am going to pause and replace the optics with the correct one For the Hellcat Pro

 

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[Slackdaddy]

And I am even better today. I woke up at 4am stumbled to go pee…walked by my office and picked it up and went right to the dot. BUT, I am going to pause and replace the optics with the correct one For the Hellcat Pro

I would look hard at the PA/Holosun 507K ACSS Vulcan, it will sit low, and provide the "self correcting" large outer ring in the reticle.
Not sure if it will 100% cowitness or "mostly" cowitness,, either way, I will be replacing my Shield SMSc with one.

 

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