Gray Bill ("Police Officer Recruitment and Retention Act of 2023") Increases Number of MPD Officers

[RFBfromDE]

20k is for MOCO, the DC bribe is 1yr salary to stay on for 5.



Speaking for myself, if I had confidence in my leadership money would be secondary.

If I had no confidence, no amount of money would be adequate.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Sure sounds like it!

Glock has a way of coming in and negotiating deals...

I'm curious: What ammo did/do you all train with/carry on MPD? (Speer Lawman/Gold Dot, etc.....)

Initially , and for a long time afterward , MPD used 124 Hydra Shok ( std pressure) . Likewise MTPD , for as long as 9mm was standard , possibly also when 9mm was optionally grandfathered . ( When MTPD went .40 , all the new hires were issued .40 , but existing ofc had option of switching , or staying with their 9mm . Plenty stuck with 9mm . When MTPD switched from P22x to the plastic Sig , the new ones were all .40 .)

 

[alucard0822]

They have a butt load of money, they also have Gen V Glocks. FYI: ERT went away from Sigs, about 10-12 years ago. They all carry Glocks now. But they also have fully automatic m-4’s. The amount of weapons, has never been a problem there. They were probably the first department in the Nation, to issue Glocks. I actually have a Gen 1 marked MPDC on the slide, and MY issued Gen 2, that I bought. Having hands to issue them, is the problem. I retired the day I could. That city is just toxic. No amount of money would’ve enticed me to stay. There are many people just resigning. Being a cop these days, is not conducive to a healthy you or a healthy bank account. Too much to risk, and no-one to stand up for them. Everyone just wants to vilify police. They may have a silent majority of supporters, but, they’re just that; silent.

Just looking at numbers, at last count DC has 55.1 officers per 10K(3,700 at the time), more than double Houston, Las Vegas, Dallas, LA, Denver, and more than most every other major city in the country, average of 500K+ cities is 20.1/10K. As you say, It doesn't look like there is a problem with the NUMBER of officers, but a massive problem with the city leadership that should be supporting them. Doesn't matter how many police you have if they aren't allowed to do anything, and are hated for taking the job. The crime stats seem to bear out you can have less than half the number of police provided they are paid and trained well, supported by leadership, and have the tools and policies in place to allow them to actually make a difference.

 

[Bafflingbs]

What would she do to lie about crime stats? Were reports being up/downgraded, etc?

Sounds like musical chairs of lying was going on... including her.

You do have to hand it to her though for running the gauntlet and making it out pretty unscathed.

Where and when, declassification. etc. Someone could be shot in D.C. and go to P.G. and die. Shooting occurs at the end of the month, the person dies days later, in the next month. Felonies turned into misdemeanors, all the time. ie; Robbery becomes theft. Etc.

Sure sounds like it!

Glock has a way of coming in and negotiating deals...

I'm curious: What ammo did/do you all train with/carry on MPD? (Speer Lawman/Gold Dot, etc.....)

EDIT to Add: I found this --> https://www.tactical-life.com/firearm-news/police-news/law-enforcement-ammo/

Accurate?

This article was linked on the page as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...y-marks/4223a020-9769-44c7-a3b6-5e1d16e9a8b9/

Wow.

Winchester T +p

Thank you for that trip down memory lane Grease!

Lol! You’re welcome

Initially , and for a long time afterward , MPD used 124 Hydra Shok ( std pressure) . Likewise MTPD , for as long as 9mm was standard , possibly also when 9mm was optionally grandfathered . ( When MTPD went .40 , all the new hires were issued .40 , but existing ofc had option of switching , or staying with their 9mm . Plenty stuck with 9mm . When MTPD switched from P22x to the plastic Sig , the new ones were all .40 .)

Funny how D.C. led the way, in so many ways. When everyone was switching to 40 cal D.C. stayed the course. Now, 9mm is the go to round, again.

Just looking at numbers, at last count DC has 55.1 officers per 10K(3,700 at the time), more than double Houston, Las Vegas, Dallas, LA, Denver, and more than most every other major city in the country, average of 500K+ cities is 20.1/10K. As you say, It doesn't look like there is a problem with the NUMBER of officers, but a massive problem with the city leadership that should be supporting them. Doesn't matter how many police you have if they aren't allowed to do anything, and are hated for taking the job. The crime stats seem to bear out you can have less than half the number of police provided they are paid and trained well, supported by leadership, and have the tools and policies in place to allow them to actually make a difference.

You forget about the 1.2 million commuters and visitors, each day. Now run the math.

 

[Sunrise]

20k is for MOCO, the DC bribe is 1yr salary to stay on for 5.



Speaking for myself, if I had confidence in my leadership money would be secondary.

If I had no confidence, no amount of money would be adequate.

$20,000 hiring bonus is for DC as well:

Mayor Bowser Announces $20,000 Hiring Bonus to Help Recruit MPD Officers | mayormb

(Washington, DC) Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser and Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) Chief Robert J. Contee III announced a new $20,000 hiring bonus that will make MPD more competitive and help the Department recruit new officers, with a focus on hiring more DC residents and women. The new...

mayor.dc.gov

Qualified applicants will be eligible to receive this incentive in addition to existing benefits, such as the $6,000 housing stipend. The bonus will be paid in two installments: $10,000 will be paid as an initial hiring bonus and the remainder will be paid upon successful completion of the police academy. The starting salary at MPD is currently $60,199, which means that with the new bonus, first-year officers will be eligible to earn more than $80,000.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Las Vegas would also have a divergence in permanent residents vs number of warm bodies present on any specific day .

 

[Crosseye Dominant]

I think he is saying the actual number of officers fit for duty is 3100. The difference is made up by people with no-show jobs, folks on suspension or out on disability.

3,100 doesn't include the few dozen wooden guns issued after desk pops every year.

 

[Sunrise]

3,100 doesn't include the few dozen wooden guns issued after desk pops every year.

That many? Haven’t heard about one recently.

Then again…

Puts on flame suit…

 

[Sunrise]

Initially , and for a long time afterward , MPD used 124 Hydra Shok ( std pressure) . Likewise MTPD , for as long as 9mm was standard , possibly also when 9mm was optionally grandfathered . ( When MTPD went .40 , all the new hires were issued .40 , but existing ofc had option of switching , or staying with their 9mm . Plenty stuck with 9mm . When MTPD switched from P22x to the plastic Sig , the new ones were all .40 .)

Appreciate the info. Was always curious about this.

Do they use Winchester White Box for training?

 

[Sunrise]

Where and when, declassification. etc. Someone could be shot in D.C. and go to P.G. and die. Shooting occurs at the end of the month, the person dies days later, in the next month. Felonies turned into misdemeanors, all the time. ie; Robbery becomes theft. Etc.

Winchester T +p

Lol! You’re welcome

Funny how D.C. led the way, in so many ways. When everyone was switching to 40 cal D.C. stayed the course. Now, 9mm is the go to round, again.

You forget about the 1.2 million commuters and visitors, each day. Now run the math.

Figures. Nobody wants to be without a chair when the music stops. You think it’s happening more or less now than before?

What do people think of the Winchester T +P round?

 

[Bafflingbs]

Figures. Nobody wants to be without a chair when the music stops. You think it’s happening more or less now than before?

What do people think of the Winchester T +P round?

It was ok. It was a big step up from the Hydra-shock's. Or so we thought.... The Department I'm with now, uses Federal HST. From what I've seen, these are are far superior

 

[Sunrise]

It was ok. It was a big step up from the Hydra-shock's. Or so we thought.... The Department I'm with now, uses Federal HST. From what I've seen, these are are far superior

Interesting!

Did some reading on this:

Federal HST VS Hydra-Shok - Wideners Shooting, Hunting & Gun Blog

Comparing Federal HST VS Hydra-Shok ammunition? We'll discuss the differences, best uses, and more in this helpful guide.

www.wideners.com

What Is Hydra Shok Ammunition? - Wideners Shooting, Hunting & Gun Blog

What is Hydra Shok ammunition? We'll discuss what it is, who makes it, what you should use it for, and more in this helpful guide.

www.wideners.com

 

[Bafflingbs]

Interesting!

Did some reading on this:

Federal HST VS Hydra-Shok - Wideners Shooting, Hunting & Gun Blog

Comparing Federal HST VS Hydra-Shok ammunition? We'll discuss the differences, best uses, and more in this helpful guide.

www.wideners.com

What Is Hydra Shok Ammunition? - Wideners Shooting, Hunting & Gun Blog

What is Hydra Shok ammunition? We'll discuss what it is, who makes it, what you should use it for, and more in this helpful guide.

www.wideners.com

I still have a bunch of it. From when they gave it out to the off-duty carrier's, such as me. Like I said; "or so we thought". Referring to the +P. The Federal ammo, on a whole, seems to more reliably expand.