Does Bruen migrate throughout the Constitution?

[alucard0822]

If I understand correctly, Bruen concludes that the 2nd Amendment must be read with it's words having the same meaning they had during the period the Amendment was passed. In the Second’s case, this was identified as being between the ratification of the 2nd (1791) and 14th (1868) Amendments.

Does that conclusion apply to the entire Constitution as well as it's other Amendments?

Without a specific case ruling, no, but it should. The only part of the document that is "living" are the ability to add additional amendments through the process described in the constitution. Thing is most other amendments aren't ignored to the degree the 2A is. The 1A "freedom of speech" clearly applies to emails as much as a quill and parchment, silly to think the 2A applies to muskets and not M16s.

 

[babalou]

I don't think the 2A is really open to interpretation. I think it is open for rationalizations so people can ignore what the plain text says to meet their ends.

this. Like those who bend the bible to fit their wants and needs. Next will be the 1st. Then we will have nothing.

 

[teratos]

this. Like those who bend the bible to fit their wants and needs. Next will be the 1st. Then we will have nothing.

The Bible say: “he who lays with another man must be stoned”.

So I took a massive bong hit and sodomized my best friend….

 

[RFBfromDE]

The Bible say: “he who lays with another man must be stoned”.

So I took a massive bong hit and sodomized my best friend….

There is no New Testament to the constitution.

 

[Mark75H]

Bruen should, in theory, can be used in other cases where the gov't claims a "right to safety" or "public safety"excuse for infringing other constitutional rights.
There is no right to safety. Imagine New York and MA governors claiming a "public safety" excuse to force citizens to house military age male illegal aliens in their homes. Both states are moving in that direction. Healey declared an "emergency." Next step it going door to door and taking "inventory" of spare rooms in towns like Woburn (but nit Winchester) and ordering people to take in illegal aliens.

I have friends who are OK with this because they are sure they will be on the local committee and it won't be their house.

 

[Mark75H]

There is no New Testament to the constitution.

Sister Mary Frances weeps

 

[outrider58]

this. Like those who bend the bible to fit their wants and needs. Next will be the 1st. Then we will have nothing.

The First Amendment has been whipped like a rented-assed mule. It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

 

[Mark75H]

The First Amendment has been whipped like a rented-assed mule. It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

Pretty sure what is says about religion is that CONGRESS MAY NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION. And ... "powers not enumerated herein devolve to the states and the people", then there could actually be 50 officially state recognized religions. Don't like one state's official religion ... MOVE!

 

[RFBfromDE]

Pretty sure what is says about religion is that CONGRESS MAY NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION. And ... "powers not enumerated herein devolve to the states and the people", then there could actually be 50 officially state recognized religions. Don't like one state's official religion ... MOVE!

Pennsylvania and Utah come to mind....

So does the 14th amendment.

 

[babalou]

The Bible say: “he who lays with another man must be stoned”.

So I took a massive bong hit and sodomized my best friend….

you be you. lolol good take on those words.

 

[babalou]

The First Amendment has been whipped like a rented-assed mule. It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.

exactly. I did not mean for the Bible. I meant donks who bend things for their needs. like dildos for some. I meant once they continue at a rapid pace on the 1st, we will not have anything.

 

[fishgutzy]

I have friends who are OK with this because they are sure they will be on the local committee and it won't be their house.

They really believe the beast will eat them last.

 

[Threeband]

Pretty sure what is says about religion is that CONGRESS MAY NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION. And ... "powers not enumerated herein devolve to the states and the people", then there could actually be 50 officially state recognized religions. Don't like one state's official religion ... MOVE!

I believe most of the states had state religions into the 19th century or so.

 

[TheBert]

“…if someone is trying to explain what 2A means, its because they don't like what it clearly says.”

That’s almost sig worthy.

There is a reason that, even with the Whiskey Rebellion, the fledgling government of the USA didn't try and disarm populace. But we did learn that when the government wants something they will come after it in force and usually with greater force than you have.

 

[outrider58]

Pretty sure what is says about religion is that CONGRESS MAY NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION. And ... "powers not enumerated herein devolve to the states and the people", then there could actually be 50 officially state recognized religions. Don't like one state's official religion ... MOVE!

That was not the point I was trying to make.

 

[DanGuy48]

I believe it should. The English language evolves with time. 250 years can change a lot. Go back 600 years and read some Chaucer. Middle English is strikingly different than what we see today, though you can make it out.

The Canterbury Tales: General Prologue by… | Poetry Foundation

Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote,

www.poetryfoundation.org

It is very important to know exactly the rights they were protecting. Some amendments are still quite clear. In the case of the 2A, “a well regulated militia” is very confusing to some people. I’m this particular instance, the definitions of “regulated” and “militia” from the 17th century must be noted to cut through any ambiguity modern readers may experience.

We had to memorize, and be able to recite, the first section of that. I still have the first several lines burned into memory.

 

[teratos]

We had to memorize, and be able to recite, the first section of that. I still have the first several lines burned into memory.

Me too.

 

[Bob A]

Pretty sure what is says about religion is that CONGRESS MAY NOT ESTABLISH A RELIGION. And ... "powers not enumerated herein devolve to the states and the people", then there could actually be 50 officially state recognized religions. Don't like one state's official religion ... MOVE!

Pennsylvania and Utah come to mind....

Certainly MD, CA, NY et al present their beliefs as graven in stone, and demand adherence on pain of excommunication, doxxing, shunning, and being driven into the outer darkness, where there is the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

As one nation, under Marx, we have progressed from "Religion is the Opiate of the Masses" to a situation where "Opiates are the Religion of the Masses," and all bounty flows from The State.

 

[Blacksmith101]

The "highly educated" are the most notorious violators.

Even though to this day "regulated" def1;

control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.

Def2;

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

They get it wrong because they are trained to get it wrong.

The closest dictionary I could find to the adoption of the second amendment in 1791 was

Websters Dictionary 1828​

Regulated​

REG'ULATED, participle passive Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order; subjected to rules or restrictions.

 

[Mark75H]

The closest dictionary I could find to the adoption of the second amendment in 1791 was

Websters Dictionary 1828​

Regulated​

REG'ULATED, participle passive Adjusted by rule, method or forms; put in good order; subjected to rules or restrictions.

In today's parlance: Practiced or trained