Doctor Interrogation warning!

[almiller1963]

To see my hair?

In all seriousness, I actually talk to my patients. Knowing what makes a person tick is often far more useful than all the lab tests in the world.

Understood .... Just because I don't see the point doesn't make it wrong.


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[teratos]

Understood .... Just because I don't see the point doesn't make it wrong.


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It is estimated that about 1/3 of visits to primary care doctors are because of stress. I actually talk to my patients before I get down to business. I try to get a little insight into what makes them tick. What is going on in their lives. It really does help with how I approach their particular problem. It is the art of medicine. It is why a computer cannot do my job. I'm sorry you don't see the point.

 

[Brooklyn]

It is estimated that about 1/3 of visits to primary care doctors are because of stress. I actually talk to my patients before I get down to business. I try to get a little insight into what makes them tick. What is going on in their lives. It really does help with how I approach their particular problem. It is the art of medicine. It is why a computer cannot do my job. I'm sorry you don't see the point.

You be good doctor doc..

 

[LCPIWB]

I responded with "How many vibrators and dildos do you keep at home?".
Doctor or nurse: "That's none of your business."
Me: "Now we are beginning to understand each other."

 

[teratos]

I responded with "How many vibrators and dildos do you keep at home?".
Doctor or nurse: "That's none of your business."
Me: "Now we are beginning to understand each other."

As pro-gun as I am, I would tell you to leave my office immediately if you said something so juvenile to any of the people who work for me.

That is not how a mature man talks to anyone, especially a woman.

 

[TheBert]

But of course you need to offset defensive uses ..



Funny thing... any doubt I had that the AMA was anything less than an industry Lobby have been put to rest..

What percentage of MDs are members of the AMA? I have heard less than 25%.

 

[Fishguy]

Your goal should be to leave that business and hurt them directly in their wallet by giving your money to someone else. Lying, but still rewarding them with your US DOLLARS will only prolong the problem for the rest of us - that is, unless you have no choice for medical reasons.

I am as far to the loony, tin foil hat wearing side of paranoia as most anyone, but I have to ask you.

Don't you honestly think that you got marked down as "Yes, owns guns" and quite possibly "Mentally unstable" in their computer after your interaction?

Don't get me wrong, I am not calling you mentally unstable; I completely understand where you are coming from, I am speaking in context of what your doctor will document in your record after that encounter.

For the sake of argument, let's stipulate that in fact tyranny is staring us down and the revolution is right around the corner. From a purely strategic position, is it really wise to tip your hand in such a way as you did in your doctor's office? Wouldn't it be better to keep them guessing where you stand until you decide where and when to make your stand?

 

[almiller1963]

It is estimated that about 1/3 of visits to primary care doctors are because of stress. I actually talk to my patients before I get down to business. I try to get a little insight into what makes them tick. What is going on in their lives. It really does help with how I approach their particular problem. It is the art of medicine. It is why a computer cannot do my job. I'm sorry you don't see the point.

Oh I see it. I just don't agree with it.

If we all agreed about everything life would be boring so be glad I am here to make your day ...... Interesting


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[teratos]

Oh I see it. I just don't agree with it.

If we all agreed about everything life would be boring so be glad I am here to make your day ...... Interesting


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mmmkay.

 

[Indiana Jones]

That's right. There's nothing to worry about...

...until you're standing in front of the judge, while your wife is begging him between sobs to let you have your children back, and that she promises she'll get rid of all of the bad guns.

It's easy to say there's nothing to worry about while it's not personally affecting YOU.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
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~Martin Niemoller, Germany, 1946

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is folks! The Nazi post!


MOLON LABIA! From my cold dead hands! Doctors can kiss my cornhole!

 

[beafly.cakes]

The gun question is clearly an agenda. I have bicycles, knives, cleaning chemicals, automobiles, power tools, electrical sockets, stairs, toilets, tubs, candles, a fireplace, lawn equipment, over the counter and prescription medications, magnets, batteries... Holy Crap my home is dangerous! How is it that I'm still alive?

 

[almiller1963]

The gun question is clearly an agenda. I have bicycles, knives, cleaning chemicals, automobiles, power tools, electrical sockets, stairs, toilets, tubs, candles, a fireplace, lawn equipment, over the counter and prescription medications, magnets, batteries... Holy Crap my home is dangerous! How is it that I'm still alive?

I'm not going to be able to sleep worrying now :>


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[ENT Shooter]

So, Can we all agree that if/when the question of guns in the home becomes commonplace at medical visits that we should all reasonably just answer No, calmly, with no indignation? The database gains no information that may or may not someday be a problem. There is no harm and no foul, no perjury or penalty. Your doctor wont misdiagnose you. And yes, it may not matter either way but people have to start drawing some lines somewhere.

Unless... one feels a need for information on safe gun storage or disposal. Or that it is their duty to provide clean data for the good people at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Center for Gun Policy and Research to "analyze" for our own good. They are considered absolute authorities in these matters. Their studies, derived in part from medical records, are like the gospel truth to our policy makers.
Take a gander:
http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/index.html
These people couldn't find their ass with both hands, a flashlight, and a hunting dog.
Don't lend them another hand.

 

[kmittleman]

Had the same question a few weeks ago at our doctor's office. They're upgrading their files from paper to computer.

Sort of a trick question...'Do you have a gun in the house'? No, I have several.

I just answered no...none of their business.

We just had the same experience at the Pediatrician's Office a few weeks ago. Needless to say, we switched to another provider.

 

[Andybrown]

If anyone needs a good Derm in Olney, PM me. He's been to Gunsite twice, one of us.

 

[CypherPunk]

I recall reading that the AMA is pushing its Doctor members to survey new patients about firearms in the home.

It may also be a question prompted by insurance companies, DHHS, CRISP or some other entity.

Teratos?

 

[Docster]

32k / 300 + million == ???
19k suicides / 300 million
11k homicides / 300 million ( that's LE by the way

851 Accidents / 300 million == ??


Ok Now I wonder why anyone would think this is a non problem from the perspective of public health ?

My point is that this is what is being presented to healthcare professionals and would explain the questions being asked by them.

Despite what one person said about "guarantees" that there's been meetings and training etc for doctors on how to conduct this massive conspiracy, I've not been required to attend such training or meetings; has Teratos or any of the other providers on this forum?

MY doctor hasn't asked, I don't know any of my colleagues who care or ask their patients, I don't and apparently neither does Teratos- yet the tin foil hats get larger...

 

[LongTom]

I am as far to the loony, tin foil hat wearing side of paranoia as most anyone, but I have to ask you.

Don't you honestly think that you got marked down as "Yes, owns guns" and quite possibly "Mentally unstable" in their computer after your interaction?

Don't get me wrong, I am not calling you mentally unstable; I completely understand where you are coming from, I am speaking in context of what your doctor will document in your record after that encounter.

For the sake of argument, let's stipulate that in fact tyranny is staring us down and the revolution is right around the corner. From a purely strategic position, is it really wise to tip your hand in such a way as you did in your doctor's office? Wouldn't it be better to keep them guessing where you stand until you decide where and when to make your stand?

I see your point, understand what you're saying, and agree wholeheartedly with you, however, with all the NSA spying, 175 billion phone convos recorded every month, all emails intercepted and saved, there is no "hand to tip." If they wanted to know if I had guns, my religion, and political views, they could probably figure it out in under 3 minutes.

But, that being said, at the end of the day I simply can't lie. For me to feel like I DESERVE Ol' Glory and the gift the revolutionaries died to give to me, I feel like I HAVE to live it. I just have to. It's something I just gotta do, otherwise I feel like I'm not deserving the freedoms given to me.

The gun question is clearly an agenda. I have bicycles, knives, cleaning chemicals, automobiles, power tools, electrical sockets, stairs, toilets, tubs, candles, a fireplace, lawn equipment, over the counter and prescription medications, magnets, batteries... Holy Crap my home is dangerous! How is it that I'm still alive?

MAGNETS? YOU SICK BASTARD

 

[CPT_Ethanolic]

I see your point, understand what you're saying, and agree wholeheartedly with you, however, with all the NSA spying, 175 billion phone convos recorded every month, all emails intercepted and saved, there is no "hand to tip." If they wanted to know if I had guns, my religion, and political views, they could probably figure it out in under 3 minutes.

But, that being said, at the end of the day I simply can't lie. For me to feel like I DESERVE Ol' Glory and the gift the revolutionaries died to give to me, I feel like I HAVE to live it. I just have to. It's something I just gotta do, otherwise I feel like I'm not deserving the freedoms given to me.



MAGNETS? YOU SICK BASTARD

If the government wants to compile a data base of all gun owners, there are far more effective ways to go about it than using voluntary questions during medical examinations. You all are way too paranoid. These are basic welfare questions that never go anywhere. Docs could also ask how you store poisons or cleaning agents if you have small children, because those are risks just like guns if left unsecured. These questions have been around for years, but most docs just don't bother asking them. I think there are legitimate concerns about government intrusion into our privacy, but this really just isn't one.

 

[Brooklyn]

My point is that this is what is being presented to healthcare professionals and would explain the questions being asked by them.

Despite what one person said about "guarantees" that there's been meetings and training etc for doctors on how to conduct this massive conspiracy, I've not been required to attend such training or meetings; has Teratos or any of the other providers on this forum?

MY doctor hasn't asked, I don't know any of my colleagues who care or ask their patients, I don't and apparently neither does Teratos- yet the tin foil hats get larger...

I don't think its a conspiracy. I think its incopetance. My Dr is in NY. And he is smart enough to know that if he gives me ******** for data I will cite counter studies.. thus he does not....

Now I do think that, since every other public health issues that costs more than 30k lives a year has been solved ,the public health industry is shopping for a new bogey man to get funding..

Oh wait.... you say we have not solved all the other public health issues... oh my bad..

Well maybe they are just being proactive... .any day now they will annonce the end of all medical issues.. well no they will just call them lifestyle issues.. then its no longer a medical problem and they will all play golf.. . Oh wait ,no, they will tell us how to live.. then we will ask about outcomes research and they will say " you should eat less meat " and when we do they will say " you are prediabetic must be too much soda." And then we will drink fruit juice and they will say -- " OK but it's still sugar so eat more protein" and they will say " your colestorol is up -- take a pill. ".. etc etc etc..

Here's what I do --every 3 months I decide what metric I want to be out of spec ( actually there is no spec--- just guidelines that are allways low enough to require a perscrption but not low enough to actually be supported by the outcomes research that no one will fund in case it shows that we don't need to push drugs like candy) and I eat accordingly. The Dr notes it and tells me to eat less for some x. Then I rotate my diet so another metric is out of spec.

I have discovered that as long as only one metric is out of spec for only 1 QTR at a time I can avoid drug threapys that will kill my liver.

So.... is the proceeding paragraph a satire. Is is proof that I am a conspiracy nut? Or is it evidence that medical science is in dire need of a paradigm shift?

Don't know and don't care.. medical science is using up its limited credibity with the public by telling us that guns are public heath issue and yet is stragely silent on the increase of resistant staph infections..

Public heath experts heal thyself..

Outcomes research
Cost benefit analysis
Risk reward
Treat patients not disease..

Your credibility is at risk... that's not tin foil ---that's asking the right questions and getting stonewalled.