Do Not Sell Registry

[Inigoes]

Pennsylvania Senator John Kane (D-Chester/Delaware) released a memo outlining legislation he plans to introduce that would allow individuals to put themselves on a “Do-Not-Sell-Firearm Registry.”

The legislation would require healthcare professionals to provide information on the Do Not Sell Registry for those who are hospitalized for self-harm.

Pennsylvania lawmaker introduces “Do Not Sell Firearm Registry” bill

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) — Pennsylvania Senator John Kane (D-Chester/Delaware) released a memo outlining legislation he plans to introduce that would allow individuals to put themselves on a &#…

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[John from MD]

What a stupid waste of the taxpayers money.

 

[gamer_jim]

Not just stupid but dangerous.

Will this further stigmatize mental health and prevent people from getting help?

 

[Inigoes]

Will this further stigmatize mental health and prevent people from getting help?

Most likely.

Involuntary evaluations are up to 120 hours. It would not be too much of a stretch where patients sign away their rights because they didn't read the forms provided.

 

[Pale Ryder]

Most likely.

Involuntary evaluations are up to 120 hours. It would not be too much of a stretch where patients sign away their rights because they didn't read the forms provided.

Is that for Pa.? I think Md. is 7 days, but that may have changed.

 

[Old-School Mark]

People who require medical evaluations for their jobs, like CDL drivers and pilots, are in that boat. They avoid seeing a doctor for any reason because every visit and every pill must be documented. I personally would rather know that my pilot is taking his meds than not know if he has an undiagnosed and untreated mental illness.

 

[Inigoes]

Is that for Pa.? I think Md. is 7 days, but that may have changed.

Yes, PA

Anything longer, a court order would be needed.

 

[Twist]

I think Maryland is 72 hours after which a court order is required to keep someone in in-patient psych care. I don't have any problem with people being put on a restricted list as long as it is court ordered and works like a TRO where it expires unless renewed by a reevaluation. In my opinion this comes closer to addressing the problem with deranged people shooting up a crowd than the idiotic "gun free" zone BS. There are a number of ways you can lose your right to own a firearm. Maybe being certifiably nuts should be one of them.

 

[jr88]

Seems a little strange; if you have the mental awareness to put yourself on the list you should realize you need help and instead of going on a list, seek out the help. However, if someone feels better by doing this then God bless them...go for it.
As for a stigma on help, my wife has her Mom in therapy for depression that started during the lockdown and has become worse. She told me the "Therapist" told her Mom in front of her, "If I don't like your answers I have the right to have you committed for observation". The poor lady is seeking help, not threats. Taking here away from her family would probably do her in.

 

[owldo]

Most likely.

Involuntary evaluations are up to 120 hours. It would not be too much of a stretch where patients sign away their rights because they didn't read the forms provided.

Not just stupid but dangerous.

Will this further stigmatize mental health and prevent people from getting help?

Psychiatry, psychology, and mental health, are all a pseudoscience ... the DSM has been proved wrong too many times ! Ya wanna talk about a subjective science !

"Of the 297 mental disorders listed in the DSM-5, almost all of them lack any scientific basis to begin with. The DSM-5 promotes the idea that for most psychological disorders, there is a genetic component, yet there is no known gene variant for about 97% of diagnoses."

https://www.pchtreatment.com/dsm-5-issues/

 

[Mightydog]

So HIPAA laws be damned?

 

[danimalw]

Dsm can't even keep their numbering system consistent..

Dsm
Dsm II
Dsm III
Dsm IV
Dsm 5

 

[gamer_jim]

Maybe this is just a ploy by our wives to get us to stop buying more guns?

 

[teratos]

So HIPAA laws be damned?

This doesn’t violate HIPPA or HIPAA.
It’s voluntary.

 

[6-Pack]

Hopefully liberals will sign up in droves and put bumper stickers on their cars and signs in their lawns.

My concern though, is that theoretically a judge could order an individual to “voluntarily register.” Sort of how MSP requires us to “voluntarily register” handguns.

 

[Bertfish]

They're trying to pass this in MD right now

 

[teratos]

I don’t understand the opposition to a voluntary “do not sell” registry. If someone is dumb enough to sign up, it’s a sure sign they should not own a firearm.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

I don’t understand the opposition to a voluntary “do not sell” registry. If someone is dumb enough to sign up, it’s a sure sign they should not own a firearm.

Logic is as logic does. Spot on. Register at will…voluntarily.

 

[Inigoes]

I don’t understand the opposition to a voluntary “do not sell” registry. If someone is dumb enough to sign up, it’s a sure sign they should not own a firearm.

If someone is slipped paperwork for the registry and signs it, when they have been committed by a family member (such as a wife to keep a husband indisposed, while she divorces him) involuntarily (not to mention, said family member lied). Obtw, That is going to be a very traumatizing event, placing our victim at the mercy of the system.

This could be a problem.

The bill does states for proposed harm to self, not voluntary or involuntarily committed.

 

[Bertfish]

I don’t understand the opposition to a voluntary “do not sell” registry. If someone is dumb enough to sign up, it’s a sure sign they should not own a firearm.

It could be used to coerce people to surrender their rights.

Also at least the Maryland proposal would prosecute a person or shop for selling to someone on the list with no vehicle you can use to identify if they are on said list. It's a trap.