current ATF wait time

[jrumann59]

Well, the revolution really started in 1775 with open hostilities and the siege of Boston IMHO. The Declaration of Independence was agreed to and signed on July 3rd, with the public declaration and shipping a copy off the King George on the 4th of July, 1776.

The US had no formal central government until the articles of confederation were agreed to by all colonies which happened March 1, 1781 when laggard Maryland finally signed them. They were proposed in 1777.

The Constituition was written September 17, 1788, Ratified June 21, 1788 and came in to effect on March 4, 1789 along with swearing in of the first Federal government of the United States. The bill of rights was proposed in 1789, but not ratified until 1791.

Anyway. Pick the date you want to consider the anniversary of our country. July 4, 1776 is a reasonable enough date. But our country really wasn’t until 1789. Before that it was a loose collection of aligned colonies. And the bill of rights didn’t exist as law of the land until 1791.

All your points are valid but lets start at the date most people are taught.

 

[lazarus]

Are you a lawyer? Because you are splitting mental hairs like one.

No, but I studied history and I guess to me accuracy matters. Same reason when people say "we should do such and such like back when in so-and-so date". It is fine if you/we want something, but if the thing never happened or is just badly off on the when, that can matter. If accuracy doesn't matter then it doesn't matter that Biden keeps spewing crap about you couldn't own warships or cannons in the 1700s in America.

I think it is important that we recognize it took more than 10 years after we decided we needed to sever ourselves from the British monarchy to form that more perfect union. It didn't happen overnight, and it wasn't as simple and bloody as a few years of fighting off the British. It took that, but then it also took a lot of discussion, negotiation and figuring out what we wanted this nation to look like and the values it should have. Over that formation a lot of things changed in a fairly short period of time. Roughly a generation from the outbreak of hostilities to the forming of a federal republic guided by the longest lasting Constitution in the modern world and a process of updating it to reflect the values of the nation with important rights reserved to its citizens. Like the right to freedom of speech and religion and the right to bear arms.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

No, but I studied history and I guess to me accuracy matters. Same reason when people say "we should do such and such like back when in so-and-so date". It is fine if you/we want something, but if the thing never happened or is just badly off on the when, that can matter. If accuracy doesn't matter then it doesn't matter that Biden keeps spewing crap about you couldn't own warships or cannons in the 1700s in America.

I think it is important that we recognize it took more than 10 years after we decided we needed to sever ourselves from the British monarchy to form that more perfect union. It didn't happen overnight, and it wasn't as simple and bloody as a few years of fighting off the British. It took that, but then it also took a lot of discussion, negotiation and figuring out what we wanted this nation to look like and the values it should have. Over that formation a lot of things changed in a fairly short period of time. Roughly a generation from the outbreak of hostilities to the forming of a federal republic guided by the longest lasting Constitution in the modern world and a process of updating it to reflect the values of the nation with important rights reserved to its citizens. Like the right to freedom of speech and religion and the right to bear arms.

And you fail to realize the right already existed as a birthright before the 2A ever existed, the BoR only ensured the survival of the right by placing it in writing. So 1776 is correct.

 

[RRomig]

There really are no birth rights.
It’s survival of the fittest. Generations has allowed the transfer of power from the people to the government. We now bow to those we pay to work for us. Until people decide to take back their country our employees decide what rights we have.
JMO

 

[redsandman6]

Eform 1 SBR
submitted 5/25/22
fingerprints arrived 5/31/22
approved 6/6/22

 

[lazarus]

And you fail to realize the right already existed as a birthright before the 2A ever existed, the BoR only ensured the survival of the right by placing it in writing. So 1776 is correct.

There are no such thing as natural rights or birth rights. Just those we as a society decide to enshrine and protect because we have decided that is the moral or ethical thing to do.

And at the founding, not all colonies enshrined any right to arms. And none did for non-white males of a majority age. We decided in 1791 that is a right that should be preserved, though of course we still didn't think of non-white males as people for a long time to come.

If it is a birth right before the 2nd amendment, then any date prior to 1791 is correct. Pick 482BC for that matter. Or any year afterwards after the right started getting chipped away at, because it is a birth right after all so pesky government laws mean nothing.

 

[jrumann59]

There are no such thing as natural rights or birth rights. Just those we as a society decide to enshrine and protect because we have decided that is the moral or ethical thing to do.

And at the founding, not all colonies enshrined any right to arms. And none did for non-white males of a majority age. We decided in 1791 that is a right that should be preserved, though of course we still didn't think of non-white males as people for a long time to come.

If it is a birth right before the 2nd amendment, then any date prior to 1791 is correct. Pick 482BC for that matter. Or any year afterwards after the right started getting chipped away at, because it is a birth right after all so pesky government laws mean nothing.

Ability to defend ones self is a natural right, and possessing and using the tools needed. Whether a gov't mandate its legality is irrelevant those willing to side step are sheep to the slaughter because throughout history every gov't is guilty of killing its own people for reasons X, Y, or Z. It usually is preceded by some emotional need for the good of "society".

 

[Conductor]

Filed a form 4 for transfer of an AOW (H&R Handy Gun) on 09 March 2021.
Form was approved on 11 May 2022.
I will never believe that it actually took BATF that long to take the steps necessary
to approve the form 4. They are deliberately delaying the approval of NFA transfers.

 

[alucard0822]

Form 4 paper, individual in PA
Pending 6-10-21
Approved 5-26-22
Arrived at dealer 6-3-22
350 day wait.

Ordered this Sico 36M back for Xmas -2020, took 6 months to come in and nearly a year to get the paperwork back. One of the most versatile cans you can get. 9mm bore, rated to 338Lapua, interchangeable end caps, modular Charlie mounts, can be used in a short 5" /12oz K setup or longer 7" 15oz full size config. I have Griffin taper mounts so I use a Griffin plan A for rifles or 3 lug for PCCs.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

4x cans
4/14/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 420 days
4/27/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 407 days
4/27/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 407 days (number 3)
5/3/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 401 days.

Waiting on stamps now.

State: WV

 

[BigRick]

Just found out that my stamp is in and I can pick up my suppressor Sunday! It came back last week so right around 365 for me!

Check cashed 6/2/21
Approved 5/17/22
Mailed 5/24/22
At Dealer 6/6/22
Picked up 6/12/22

 

[Bob A]

4x cans
4/14/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 420 days
4/27/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 407 days
4/27/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 407 days (number 3)
5/3/2021 - 6/7/2022 - 401 days.

Waiting on stamps now.

State: WV

ATF figures you got plenty stamps so they're passing you up to help the stamp-deprived.

 

[Shane762]

Just got the stamp for my first NFA toy. An SBR I built up on an Aero Precision lower. I'll post a picture in the picture thread later.

eForm 1 as an individual.
Submitted 5/18/22
Received the approval this morning 6/14/22

27 days total.

 

[Bertfish]

Just found out that my stamp is in and I can pick up my suppressor Sunday! It came back last week so right around 365 for me!

Check cashed 6/2/21
Approved 5/17/22
Mailed 5/24/22
At Dealer 6/6/22
Picked up 6/12/22

6/22 check cashed for me so hopefully getting close. I expect to go beyond a year

 

[John from MD]

About the Eform process. Do you purchase the can first and then fill out the form?

 

[BigRick]

From what I was told the other day from my FFL yes. You would buy the Can then do your efrom paperwork.

 

[John from MD]

Thanks Rick.

 

[jet307]

Single shot trust paper form 4 received by NFA branch May 13, 2021 and I was just told by the NFA customer service line that my tax stamp was mailed June 3, 2022. I called the FLL shop where it is and without even taking my name, was told that "we'll call you when it comes in." He wouldn't even humor me and take 3 secs to see if it may actually be there.

 

[John from MD]

Single shot trust paper form 4 received by NFA branch May 13, 2021 and I was just told by the NFA customer service line that my tax stamp was mailed June 3, 2022. I called the FLL shop where it is and without even taking my name, was told that "we'll call you when it comes in." He wouldn't even humor me and take 3 secs to see if it may actually be there.

My FFL hasn't returned my email when I asked to check also. I can only assume they are not there yet.

 

[jet307]

My FFL hasn't returned my email when I asked to check also. I can only assume they are not there yet.

Poor customer service if you ask me.