GNLaFrance
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Many new concealed-carry permit holders subscribe to a variety of myths that could have potentially deadly consequences. Here are five of the most common.
Concealed-Carry Myths
Concealed-Carry Myths
Concealed-Carry Myths
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WeaponsCollector
EXTREME GUN OWNER
Another common CCW myth is the belief that government would never use gun "permits" against us.
Second that myth.
DROB
member...
do you suggest no CC permit then?
WeaponsCollector
EXTREME GUN OWNER
While today most states disagree with me, IMO the second amendment should be good enough to allow any responsible, freedom loving American citizen to "keep and bear arms". I don't support any gun licensing, gun registration, or gun permits - they are all infringements and they can all easily be used to infringe. I am a proud supporter of Constitutional carry because without it all we have is UNconstitutional carry. If you have carry permits good for you that the state has been nice enough to allow you to exercise your basic constitutional right, but I see it as a right that we should all already have as American citizens according to the Bill Of Rights. Now if this kind of talk doesn't get me on at least one or two more "watch lists", then I don't know what will!
No license, no registration, etc? No easy answer. It's a tough one.
On the one hand I don't have to get a license for free expression, but I do need.approval in many cases to have a large demonstration in public space (but did occupy wall st?). But I'm not sure I like how universities have moved to making "free speech zones.". Isn't America a free speech zone?
Didn't the supreme court strike down literacy tests for voting? Why is a "im about to get killed" test required to exercise my 2a rights.
Liberty and personal freedom must be the yardstick. When we give up a few personal rights in the name of the good of all, we're on our way to totalitarianism at best and socialism at worst. Socialism is the worst because too many would "think" we're free.
So I'd have to vote for insanity/felony checks, and some kind of training requirement requirements before transfer, maybe proof of safe handling (like a car). But beyond that, no lists, no permanent records and no interference.
On the one hand I don't have to get a license for free expression, but I do need.approval in many cases to have a large demonstration in public space (but did occupy wall st?). But I'm not sure I like how universities have moved to making "free speech zones.". Isn't America a free speech zone?
Didn't the supreme court strike down literacy tests for voting? Why is a "im about to get killed" test required to exercise my 2a rights.
Liberty and personal freedom must be the yardstick. When we give up a few personal rights in the name of the good of all, we're on our way to totalitarianism at best and socialism at worst. Socialism is the worst because too many would "think" we're free.
So I'd have to vote for insanity/felony checks, and some kind of training requirement requirements before transfer, maybe proof of safe handling (like a car). But beyond that, no lists, no permanent records and no interference.
Could it be that in the "contract" between the student and college, they've agreed to these conditions? Can you contract away your rights? Temporarily? Permanent? It seems that when an individual enlists, certain rights become very limited, if not altogether nullified for the term of the enlistment.
aberforth
Lurker
Since most colleges and universities get fed $$, the question becomes, should (or can) the feds be giving money to orgs that require such contracts.
smokey
2A TEACHER
- Jan 31, 2008
- 31,589
a gun has to be as small as an lcp to be concealable In the summer, I regularly carry my full size p99 concealed and it's never drawn a second glance. This is for two reasons. 1) People are so used to crap like cell phones being around your belt line that they don't even notice a bulge there anymore. If they actually do notice you carrying, they just assume you're a cop or something. 2) Having an inner shirt that matches the color of the gun(black) and a loose outer shirt breaks up the shape and hides the color of the bulge on your side. I don't even carry iwb, I use a crossbreed snapslide owb holster and the weapon completely dissapears.
The average armed encounter is only 2-3 shots and my gun holds 16. I don't need to carry an extra magazineHopefully you've tested your carry magazines through hundreds if not thousands of shots to make sure they're reliable. Hopefully you also properly maintain them. Sh!t happens and your mag could be the reason your gun fails when you need it. Having an extra magazine is more than just a reload, it's a way to fix a magazine-cause malfunction.
The average armed encounter is only 2-3 shots and my gun holds 16. I don't need to carry an extra magazineHopefully you've tested your carry magazines through hundreds if not thousands of shots to make sure they're reliable. Hopefully you also properly maintain them. Sh!t happens and your mag could be the reason your gun fails when you need it. Having an extra magazine is more than just a reload, it's a way to fix a magazine-cause malfunction.
1970swifty
Active Member
Good article and advice. I am a firm believer in training and practice,above that being prepared. Not carrying empty chamber one mag etc is NOT being prepared
Amen. My Glock 22 is my constant companion year round, with a spare 15 round magazine.
lasher9999
Active Member
While today most states disagree with me, IMO the second amendment should be good enough to allow any responsible, freedom loving American citizen to "keep and bear arms". I don't support any gun licensing, gun registration, or gun permits - they are all infringements and they can all easily be used to infringe. I am a proud supporter of Constitutional carry because without it all we have is UNconstitutional carry. If you have carry permits good for you that the state has been nice enough to allow you to exercise your basic constitutional right, but I see it as a right that we should all already have as American citizens according to the Bill Of Rights. Now if this kind of talk doesn't get me on at least one or two more "watch lists", then I don't know what will!
While I agree with you in principle, I have to point out that if you think having a ccw license is an infringement, just wait till you get caught carrying without one. You will then experience the full meaning of infringement of your rights.
browning guy
SCRUFFY NERF HERDER
While today most states disagree with me, IMO the second amendment should be good enough to allow any responsible, freedom loving American citizen to "keep and bear arms". I don't support any gun licensing, gun registration, or gun permits - they are all infringements and they can all easily be used to infringe. I am a proud supporter of Constitutional carry because without it all we have is UNconstitutional carry. If you have carry permits good for you that the state has been nice enough to allow you to exercise your basic constitutional right, but I see it as a right that we should all already have as American citizens according to the Bill Of Rights. Now if this kind of talk doesn't get me on at least one or two more "watch lists", then I don't know what will!
I agree 100% as I am on goverment watch lists from the restore the constution open carry rally in va. I don't care anymore if I have to live in fear of my goverment that is a problem!
Fionnros
Fight Crime, Shoot Back!
You know, I keep my gun in a holster in the gun safe, the loaded magazine in the little pocket the holster has. I also have 2 very protective great danes. I'm wondering if I should keep the loaded magazine in the gun and not in the pocket.
pcfixer
Ultimate Member
While today most states disagree with me, IMO the second amendment should be good enough to allow any responsible, freedom loving American citizen to "keep and bear arms". I don't support any gun licensing, gun registration, or gun permits - they are all infringements and they can all easily be used to infringe. I am a proud supporter of Constitutional carry because without it all we have is UNconstitutional carry. If you have carry permits good for you that the state has been nice enough to allow you to exercise your basic constitutional right, but I see it as a right that we should all already have as American citizens according to the Bill Of Rights. Now if this kind of talk doesn't get me on at least one or two more "watch lists", then I don't know what will!
Me too!!
Curmudgeon
I H8 stinkbugz
I do. My carry weapon (1911) is always cocked and locked and holstered. It comes out of the holster on 4 occasions...
1) to shoot at the range,
2) to clean it,
3) to change holsters (IWB > OWB for example) which is rare.
4) in the gravest extreme.
At night it comes off my belt, still in the holster, and sits by the bed. If it's going in the safe, it goes in the holster. The less I fool with it, the better. There is no routine loading/unloading or holstering/unholstering.
N.B. We have no kids in the house, we are "empty-nesters", so that is never an issue.
- Jun 28, 2009
- 4,172
all opinions are respected. to stay on topic though...
on the topic of carrying a .22, the author stated;
"However, there is no reason a healthy adult woman cannot carry and employ a centerfire handgun."
this is true, however, in my travels, many women and men have carried and successfully thwarted a deadly confrontation with a .22. a well placed shot to a vital organ zone will be just as deadly as something as large a .40, or .45. i am sure i will see disagreements on this fact, but all being said, the well placed shot will require much practice. as well, some folks who carry are not looking for a gun fight or any confrontation with a bad guy or guys so they avoid as much as possible. if on the other hand, the confrontation follows them, and they have practiced to the point of all responses are second nature, the .22 will kill in equal time.
in consideration of that "kill time," don't forget, you could dump your entire magazine (15 rounds) into a perp in less that 4 seconds, but he may still have enough oxygen in his brain to keep him moving and a threat for up to 30/ 45 seconds.
as for knock down power, true, there is not enough energy there to do that "stoppage" but if you place several rounds of a 40, .22 grain into a sternum or the eye socket, knock down isn't a problem, lethality is~to the perp.
on the topic of carrying a .22, the author stated;
"However, there is no reason a healthy adult woman cannot carry and employ a centerfire handgun."
this is true, however, in my travels, many women and men have carried and successfully thwarted a deadly confrontation with a .22. a well placed shot to a vital organ zone will be just as deadly as something as large a .40, or .45. i am sure i will see disagreements on this fact, but all being said, the well placed shot will require much practice. as well, some folks who carry are not looking for a gun fight or any confrontation with a bad guy or guys so they avoid as much as possible. if on the other hand, the confrontation follows them, and they have practiced to the point of all responses are second nature, the .22 will kill in equal time.
in consideration of that "kill time," don't forget, you could dump your entire magazine (15 rounds) into a perp in less that 4 seconds, but he may still have enough oxygen in his brain to keep him moving and a threat for up to 30/ 45 seconds.
as for knock down power, true, there is not enough energy there to do that "stoppage" but if you place several rounds of a 40, .22 grain into a sternum or the eye socket, knock down isn't a problem, lethality is~to the perp.
Peaceful John
Active Member
- May 31, 2011
- 239
The criminals already have unregistered guns. All we seek is parity. Seems a small thing to ask, doesn't it?
A common CCW myth is the notion that training on the proper use and handling of firearms isn't necessary, typically involving non-NRA (even anti-NRA) types who still choose to carry, don't belong to a club/range, never practice, and never clean/maintain their guns.
This crowd tends to think little or nothing of a finger heading straight for the trigger, gun loaded or not. This crowd tends to wonder aloud about how many situations they've encountered recently where they "came close" to brandishing their weapon, with excuses like witnessing an argument or somebody that didn't look right. Trying to disabuse this crowd of their unsafe, usually unwarranted, tendencies tends to serve no purpose, no matter how logical or reasonable the discussions about re-thinking their behavior.
This crowd concerns me the most in regards to CCW permits specifically and gun rights in general. In many ways, they are the best friends of the anti-gun crowd.
This crowd tends to think little or nothing of a finger heading straight for the trigger, gun loaded or not. This crowd tends to wonder aloud about how many situations they've encountered recently where they "came close" to brandishing their weapon, with excuses like witnessing an argument or somebody that didn't look right. Trying to disabuse this crowd of their unsafe, usually unwarranted, tendencies tends to serve no purpose, no matter how logical or reasonable the discussions about re-thinking their behavior.
This crowd concerns me the most in regards to CCW permits specifically and gun rights in general. In many ways, they are the best friends of the anti-gun crowd.
