China's recent shutdowns

[Alea Jacta Est]

Change and balance. The only two constants that exist.
if you don’t like change, you’ll like irrelevance even less. Balance is a b1tch. It typically requires difficult decisions and ugly trade offs. We are loathe to hurt feelings. Pols just don’t care as they are rarely in any effected class.

 

[GunBum]

Are we going to learn from this and bring back jobs (at least the "critical ones")?.............








Nope

I’m working on it. I’ve eliminated about 100 jobs in China in the last 2 years, which has resulted in 5 new jobs here.

 

[Allen65]

At some point there are only so many people who can really manage "supervising" automation, even if it doesn't take being some computer programmer to do, or who can manage whatever "thinking" jobs are left in the economy if basically all of the "doing" jobs are automated.

A lot of that may not happen in my lifetime (which I HOPE is at least another 40 years). But some of it will. Especially the self-driving vehicles and agricultural automation.

At least the US and the rest of the 1st World (EU, Japan, RoK) have enough of an educated workforce to retain high-skill jobs. Imagine what the economic and social impact will be on Africa and much of Asia where billions of people will be unemployed and perpetually unemployable. Lots of turmoil, dislocation, violent unrest, and massive refugee outflows in the areas that provide the feedstocks for the advanced, automated economies. It's going to be a messy decade.

 

[Allen65]

I’m working on it. I’ve eliminated about 100 jobs in China in the last 2 years, which has resulted in 5 new jobs here.

 

[adit]

It isn't necessarily a perpetual motion machine, but it is difficult to do. Especially with very disruptive productivity increases or total dislocation of labor. Economies always adjust, but the larger the shock, the longer and harder it is to adjust. If in, say, 10 years we have viable self driving trucks what do we do? That's something like 7 million jobs in the US. It would be a massive boon to other areas of the economy. No way we'd replace all trucks overnight, but think companies wouldn't have orders in immediately? You'd probably find 90+% of truckers unemployed within 5 years. Agricultural work, automated pickers and harvesters are becoming more and more common and more and more efficient. That is millions of jobs. Etc. At some point you end up with narrow job categories where people can work. What happens if we figure out a way to make androids that might not be real AI, but are sufficiently programmable and human in physical abilities. Do you need a dozen guys working at your tire shop? Or just 2 or 3 guys who supervise the 3 or 4 androids that can do all of the work to mount and balance tires? Or the auto shop that has 6 androids that can do all of the vehicle repairs? Maybe you just need a few humans as the service managers because people like talking to other people. At some point there are only so many people who can really manage "supervising" automation, even if it doesn't take being some computer programmer to do, or who can manage whatever "thinking" jobs are left in the economy if basically all of the "doing" jobs are automated.

A lot of that may not happen in my lifetime (which I HOPE is at least another 40 years). But some of it will. Especially the self-driving vehicles and agricultural automation.

Do the androids need You? When does Skynet go active?

 

[Baccusboy]

This guy thinks the same as me… they are preparing their population for war.

 

[adit]

Dell order from 4/22. Normally I'd have this order in hand already. Not sure if China or 12th Gen Intel related.

 

[alucard0822]

Every modern society goes through a cycle, 1 industrialization, 2 expansion,3 cheap/child labor,4 pollution,5 labor modernization,6 environmental protection,7 cost increase/ wage increase,8 collapse of industry, 9 moving production to a place at step 1, finding somewhere else when they get somewhere after step 5. We were Europe's "step 9" 100+ years ago, India, Mexico, SE Asia they all got a turn, then China become the predominant cheap labor dumping ground. China should have had a labor revolution and environmental protection decades ago, but the greedy Commie government suppressed steps 5, 6, and 7 by force, covid might have sparked step 8. At this point, either our domestic tech and production have to be so efficient and modernized that it can overcome the costs of US labor and environmental regs. IMO that is the better solution for us, and overall the world, especially if you care about the environment and human rights. The alternative is finding another poor s#!thole of a country with leaders that doesn't care if their people earn pennies a day living in an industrial wasteland.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Are we going to learn from this and bring back jobs (at least the "critical ones")?.............








Nope

You can "Bring Back" all the factories yous want to the USA,,
But with no one to work in them,, what is the use??

We have not hit the point in this country where people are truly "Hungry".
I also do not see the "Economic Class" of people who worked in factories decades ago,,, Peacefully going back to work. Everyone in the USA feels they are Owed something,,,
Only way this ends is major domestic upheaval/conflict,, years of destitute and depression,, then a rebuild. But what is rebuilt will not look anything like the country we a reminiscing about. It will be rebuilt with a lot of foreign influence,, AKA socialism