Buying or Ordering AR-15 lower before 1 Oct

[jdsteele]

I may want to at least put in a purchase order for an AR-15 lower before 1 Oct.

(My grandson is expected to be born on/about 1 Oct, and I'd like him to have an actual banned 'Assault Rifle', exactly as old as he is, transferred from father to son to son on his 21st birthday)

Can I order an AR-15 lower online, and pay for it online before 1 Oct, have it sent to my FFL, and fill out the 77 paperwork after 1 Oct?

Or do I have to actually buy an actual AR-15 lower from an actual gun store and fill out the 77 paperwork before 1 Oct?

If so, does anyone know of any dealers on the Eastern Shore of MD that have lowers in stock now?

 

[enjoi1968]

Purchase order (ie: paid in full receipt showing payment before 10/01/13) is the bare minimum to get grandfathered (see what I did there) in past Oct. 1

 

[Mr H]

The lower, per ATF, is the firearm.

Per SB281, a "purchase order" is valid if executed before 10/1.

You'll be fine if you get on it (AND DOCUMENT THE ORDER) in the next few days.

 

[PowPow]

I'm thinking there are only three ways to transfer it to him post 10/1:

1) If he lives in MD at the time you die, he can inherit it as long as he can possess a regulated firearm.
2) He has residence out of the state of MD at the time you wish to transfer it to him.
3) MD law changes and allows the transfer within MD at some point.

 

[jdsteele]

The lower, per ATF, is the firearm.

Per SB281, a "purchase order" is valid if executed before 10/1.

You'll be fine if you get on it (AND DOCUMENT THE ORDER) in the next few days.

So if I order online on Monday 30 Sep, my credit card is charged, I have an email receipt, then that shoud be good enough? Even though it would take a few days to be shipped to my FFL and for me to fill out the 77 paperwork?

That's the way I read it. Just checking with you guys.

It just occurred to me that this would be a cool thing to do for my new grandkid. Plus, I could break the gun in for the next 20 years.

 

[jdsteele]

1) If he lives in MD at the time you die, he can inherit it as long as he can possess a regulated firearm.

Maybe when he just turns 21, we could just move out of the state for a while.
To avoid the me dying thing.

 

[JailHouseLiar]

So if I order online on Monday 30 Sep, my credit card is charged, I have an email receipt, then that shoud be good enough? Even though it would take a few days to be shipped to my FFL and for me to fill out the 77 paperwork?

That's the way I read it. Just checking with you guys.

It just occurred to me that this would be a cool thing to do for my new grandkid. (Imagine if you could go back and do this in 1985 before the full-auto ban). Plus, I could break the gun in for the next 20 years.

If you can find one. Several online places have already stopped MD sales. Best bet is to find one from a local gun store.

 

[PowPow]

If you can find one. Several online places have already stopped MD sales. Best bet is to find one from a local gun store.

Engage Armament has a good supply of their own billet lowers available (out of their recent batch of 1,000). I've built up two rifles with them and am quite happy with the quality.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=130712

 

[PowPow]

Maybe when he just turns 21, we could just move out of the state for a while.
To avoid the me dying thing.

Absolutely. He would have to move with you too. I hope that "avoid the me dying thing" works out for you. Let me know your secret!

Personally, I think the change the MD law thing is the best option.

 

[jdsteele]

Personally, I think the change the MD law thing is the best option.

Personally, I agree. Less stressful than me dying or moving.

I'll call around the Eastern Shore for lowers. If no luck, the Engage Armament deal sounds good, so a 300 mile round-trip may be in my near future. I kind of like that it has my old hometown "Rockville MD" stamped on it. Thanks for the tip.

 

[orangecrush]

Even if you were to move out of state and he has the gun transferred to his name he would never be able to move back into Maryland with said gun. The gun would have to stay out of Maryland.

Best bet is buy him a Colt Hbar for his 18th birthday.

 

[jdsteele]

Even if you were to move out of state and he has the gun transferred to his name he would never be able to move back into Maryland with said gun. The gun would have to stay out of Maryland.

Oh yeah, I forgot that part. Isn't there some provision for transferring a gun between family members, aside from leaving it in a will?

I may just have to stay alive, and 'lend' it to my grandson, when he turns 21.

 

[Broadside]

There is an attorney on the Forum that advertises doing Maryland trusts.

You could contact him and ask him about doing a trust and putting the regulated firearms into the trust with your grandson as the beneficiary.

I don't know if it would work or not.

As already mentioned, there is no way to transfer a "pre-ban assault long gun" after 10/1/13 except through inheritance.

 

[pilotguy299]

If you bought a complete regulated AR today, it probably would have been built months ago, and legally you couldn't take possession of it until October 7th.

Another option would be to purchase an 80% lower and turn it in to a firearm just before Oct 1, so it would be less than 1 day (or so) older than your grandchild.

It would still be an issue to transfer it to him/her in MD before your passing, unless the law changes.

But what it does give you (if you want to, but not required) is the ability to engrave it with your name as the manufacturer, and/or engrave his/her name as the serial number eg: Patrick1, Pamela1.

Then you two can assemble it together as he/she gets older.

Nothing like a family heirloom built by you and your grandfather.

 

[jdsteele]

I went to Wink's Sporting Goods in Princess Anne and put in a purchase order for a forged AR15 lower for about $135. It will be here next week. 8 day release.

So I got in just under the wire, and didn't have to bother with online ordering and FFL transfer issues.

 

[Sourkraut115]

I bought one today as well, at Accurate Pawn in Elkridge. Nice little shop... owner obviously very frustrated by the lack of cohesive policy from MSP.