BIL was denied regulated purchase for Juvenile MH record

[Kman]

Enough people have said to "Shut up!" Perhaps a moderator should just delete this thread.

one more....


Shut up.

 

[metalman3006]

this will probably be my last update: all guns are transferred legally through a local FFL dealer. There will be no new charges given and no further investigation on this incident.

He will be from here on out treated as a felon when it comes to guns, he cannot posses any gun including shotguns

also he was told by the investigator that they will also be looking at all juvenile records for crimes that could have been a felony/violent and on a case by case basis restricting the rights of those people also

there is a little more to the story and the appeals process has begun

 

[DraKhen99]

this will probably be my last update all guns are transferred legally three local FFL dealer there will be no new charges on and no further investigation he will be used from here on out treated as a felon when it comes to gunsalso he was told by the investigator that they will also be looking at crimes that happen while you were given all that could have been a felony And on a case by case basis restricting the rights of those people also

there is a lot more to the story and the appeals process has begun

OK, that first paragraph is just confusing.

1. Are you saying he's now a felon? Or are they just treating him like one?

2. What other things are they investigating, or is this about investigating other people?

Either way, that sucks.

-John

 

[JettaRed]

OK, that first paragraph is just confusing.

What paragraph? It looks like a string of words.

Seriously folks, take a few extra seconds to organize words into sentences and use punctuation. If you are trying to communicate your thoughts, it helps if you are clear in what you are saying.

Sometimes I feel like I'm reading the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

[Benanov]

Dog-pile on the shut-up call

These are three very important links, and belong here.

http://www.popehat.com/tag/shut-up/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik (part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE (part 2)

There are legal counsel that hang out on these forums. They would have to be paid (hired) - but I'm sure they'd consider taking your BIL's case.

 

[ddeanjohnson]

Has the law related to juvenile records changed since SB281? If it did, I missed it. Prior to SB281, juvenile records were disqualifying until age 30, at which time they became null and void for regulated firearms purchases. A crime/deliquency would disqualify someone between 21 and 29, but not 42. The OP mentioned his BIL was 42 years old.

What you are referring to pertains to certain juvenile criminal charges, and the new law did not change that. But the Original Post suggests that the brother-in-law was involuntarily committed to a certain psychiatric hospital. This would create fall under one of the many new firearms disqualifications created by SB 281, summarized in numbered paragraph no. 18 in this summary of the new law:
http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=114585

There is no age limit or expiration date on any of these new disqualifications. In theory, such a disqualification can be removed by the State Department of Health and Mental Hygiene through an elaborate process spelled out in the new law. I believe that the Department has not even proposed regulations yet to implement that section of the law.

 

[badcarmine40cal]

I would be giving my guns to my brother!!

 

[TheBert]

Possession equates to ownership or title so the BIL still possesses the firearms even though he has given them to a third party.

I own stock in numerous companies, however, I do not have the stock certificates in my possession, a third party holds them/possesses them.

Why would weapons be any different?

 

[henn5849]

What you are referring to pertains to certain juvenile criminal charges, and the new law did not change that. But the Original Post suggests that the brother-in-law was involuntarily committed to a certain psychiatric hospital. This would create fall under one of the many new firearms disqualifications created by SB 281, summarized in numbered paragraph no. 18 in this summary of the new law: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=114585 There is no age limit or expiration date on any of these new disqualifications. In theory, such a disqualification can be removed by the State Department of Health and Mental Hygiene through an elaborate process spelled out in the new law. I believe that the Department has not even proposed regulations yet to implement that section of the law.

so he can't own ANY firearms? Or just regulated ones?

 

[RedWolf762]

So, because of 281, anyone who has anything in their juvenile records/history may want to hire council to examine if the aforementioned records may disqualify them?

 

[good guy 176]

I own stock in numerous companies, however, I do not have the stock certificates in my possession, a third party holds them/possesses them.

Why would weapons be any different?

There is no difference. If you own something, you possess it, regardless of where the item is physically located. Possession means to own, control, possess or have title to an object.

 

[JohnnyE]

Deleted.

 

[metalman3006]

this will probably be my last update: all guns are transferred legally through a local FFL dealer. There will be no new charges given and no further investigation on this incident.

He will be from here on out treated as a felon when it comes to guns, he cannot posses any gun including shotguns

also he was told by the investigator that they will also be looking at all juvenile records for crimes that could have been a felony/violent and on a case by case basis restricting the rights of those people also

there is a little more to the story and the appeals process has begun


I was on my phone for the earlier post so I cleaned it up for you

 

[Not_an_outlaw]

this will probably be my last update: all guns are transferred legally through a local FFL dealer. There will be no new charges given and no further investigation on this incident.

He will be from here on out treated as a felon when it comes to guns, he cannot posses any gun including shotguns

also he was told by the investigator that they will also be looking at all juvenile records for crimes that could have been a felony/violent and on a case by case basis restricting the rights of those people also

there is a little more to the story and the appeals process has begun


I was on my phone for the earlier post so I cleaned it up for you

Still not clear to me.

 

[Marylandfisherman]

also he was told by the investigator that they will also be looking at all juvenile records for crimes that could have been a felony/violent and on a case by case basis restricting the rights of those people also

WTF does this mean. "Hi, we're just here to look around"???

 

[metalman3006]

Update: He went to his hearing today, supposedly the 1st one for the state, He had a letter from a shrink saying he was sane, had 2 character witnesses, and didn't take a lawyer. They found in his favor and reinstated his gun rights. He will be able to even get his AK back but I am not sure about the lower that started this mess.

 

[Magnumst]

 

[j_h_smith]

Good to hear!!!

Jim Smith

 

[kenpo333]

Congratulations. Glad to see he is going to get his guns back.

 

[BigBoiB]

Tell him congrats!