ATF form 4 disapproval

[erwos]

I have a dozen SBRs submitted for this meeting. We have a dedicated examiner, and the expedited form 5 is just a bulk transfer that the examiner approves. I can fill you in on the process.

There is a part of me that wants to skip work and hit the roster meeting on the 19th just to see how the hell they react to a pile of SBRs being dumped in their lap for the first time.

 

[teratos]

There is a part of me that wants to skip work and hit the roster meeting on the 19th just to see how the hell they react to a pile of SBRs being dumped in their lap for the first time.

Sounds like a hoot.

 

[ironpony]

isn't there a list of items submitted posted somewhere?

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

isn't there a list of items submitted posted somewhere?

No. However, an approved list is published after the meeting.

 

[Jakedasnake]

So, I got a call from Sam Cook, who advised me that I need to fax him something saying his approval would have me violating MD law. Especially the Grandfathered items! He tried to tell me they received my paperwork on Oct.3rd, and I advised him, that via the post office, it was Officially Mailed before on Nov. 26th. Which puts it before the Oct.1st deadline. So, is there any info out there I can send off?


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[Jakedasnake]

Just got a disapproval from ATF on a Form 4 of a Daniel Defense MK18, which is measured at >29". The reason stated is "Prohibited by State law--Assault Weapon"

So, I got a call from Sam Cook, who advised me that I need to fax him something saying his approval would have me violating MD law. Especially the Grandfathered items! He tried to tell me they received my paperwork on Oct.3rd, and I advised him, that via the post office, it was Officially Mailed before on Nov. 26th. Which puts it before the Oct.1st deadline. So, is there any info out there I can send off?

Also, I called MSP, and Jason Edwards states, "The law is interpreted as ANY RIFLE PURCHASED BEFORE THE OCT.1 DEADLINE CAN BE BUILD INTO ANY CONFIGURATION/LENGTH ONE DESIRES!! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO RESTRICTIONS ON ANY WEAPON BEFORE THAT DATE!!!! WE'VE BEEN GETTING AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE WITH THIS PROBLEM AND OUR CAPTAIN WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE SOON WITH THE ATF!"


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[NateIU10]

So, I got a call from Sam Cook, who advised me that I need to fax him something saying his approval would have me violating MD law. Especially the Grandfathered items! He tried to tell me they received my paperwork on Oct.3rd, and I advised him, that via the post office, it was Officially Mailed before on Nov. 26th. Which puts it before the Oct.1st deadline. So, is there any info out there I can send off?

Also, I called MSP, and Jason Edwards states, "The law is interpreted as ANY RIFLE PURCHASED BEFORE THE OCT.1 DEADLINE CAN BE BUILD INTO ANY CONFIGURATION/LENGTH ONE DESIRES!! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO RESTRICTIONS ON ANY WEAPON BEFORE THAT DATE!!!! WE'VE BEEN GETTING AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE WITH THIS PROBLEM AND OUR CAPTAIN WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE SOON WITH THE ATF!"


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Correct. We met with Edwards and another Corporal on Monday to discuss these issues, and will hopefully be seeing some clarification soon. I'm holding off on any litigation right now based on the substance of that meeting, but things need to change.

 

[Jakedasnake]

Correct. We met with Edwards and another Corporal on Monday to discuss these issues, and will hopefully be seeing some clarification soon. I'm holding off on any litigation right now based on the substance of that meeting, but things need to change.

I also called Bak the ATF, and they realized I sent the form 1's to Atlanta 1st, and they sent them to WV, who didn't get them until AFTER the 1st of Oct.. However, the OTHER guy (not the *******), told me, "Faxing my paperwork of the dates of purchases for my items is All they'll need!" :-) so I'll be faxing shortly! I also told them, that State law supersedes Federal in a matter like this, therefore, if MD is telling you "Grandfathered rifles can be any length, Marylanders should not be having this problem.".


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[OrbitalEllipses]

I also called Bak the ATF, and they realized I sent the form 1's to Atlanta 1st, and they sent them to WV, who didn't get them until AFTER the 1st of Oct.. However, the OTHER guy (not the *******), told me, "Faxing my paperwork of the dates of purchases for my items is All they'll need!" :-) so I'll be faxing shortly! I also told them, that State law supersedes Federal in a matter like this, therefore, if MD is telling you "Grandfathered rifles can be any length, Marylanders should not be having this problem.".


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I'd love to see that in writing...my grandfathered lower shouldn't be limited to 29" OAL even if the ATF received the paperwork tomorrow. I already had the lower.

 

[armed ferret]

not to mention, i still have yet to build on a couple lowers i purchased nearly 10 damn years ago. how would i prove pre-october possession on something i definitely don't have the receipt for (considering I didn't even think i'd be in MD at any point, let alone have ridiculous shit like this passed)?

 

[NateIU10]

not to mention, i still have yet to build on a couple lowers i purchased nearly 10 damn years ago. how would i prove pre-october possession on something i definitely don't have the receipt for (considering I didn't even think i'd be in MD at any point, let alone have ridiculous shit like this passed)?

I wonder if ATF would accept a signed, notarized affidavit that you possessed a firearm legally prior to October 1, 2013.

 

[Devil Dog]

I also told them, that State law supersedes Federal in a matter like this, therefore, if MD is telling you "Grandfathered rifles can be any length, Marylanders should not be having this problem.".


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I don't think Maryland law supersedes Federal law (state law rarely does). But Maryland law doesn't forbid you from owning/making the SBR so ATF should approve.

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[HT4]

Any word on whether I will be caught up in this nonsense with pre-Oct 1 Engage Armament E-4 "factory" SBR's being transferred on form 4's? I still have two of them pending... The good news there, I think, is that lower is on the handgun roster.

 

[HT4]

I don't think Maryland law supersedes Federal law (state law rarely does). But Maryland law doesn't forbid you from owning/making the SBR so ATF should approve.

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It's not superseding federal law... but you must comply with both independently. Failure to comply with either one will queer the deal.

 

[Devil Dog]

It's not superseding federal law... but you must comply with both independently. Failure to comply with either one will queer the deal.

Exactly.

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[Jakedasnake]

I don't think Maryland law supersedes Federal law (state law rarely does). But Maryland law doesn't forbid you from owning/making the SBR so ATF should approve.

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The ATF TOLD me it did. That's how a state can say "Yup, it's illegal to own that weapon!" Yet the FEDS say you can. Yet if you're living in THAT state, you can't own it.

 

[Jakedasnake]

Well, I about to find out, because I'm going to email, and fax my receipts tomorrow morning, and if all goes as planned, I should have all three of my form 1's back by next week at the latest.

 

[Afdiesel]

State law doesn't supersede federal in this instance. They work in conjunction with each other. There is no federal law banning private ownership nationwide, however each state can impose their own restriction.

 

[Jakedasnake]

p.s. KEEP AND COPY ALLLLLLL RECEIPTS AS I HAVE. IVE BEEN DOING SO SINCE THE MID 90's (Thankfully!).

 

[Jakedasnake]

State law doesn't supersede federal in this instance. They work in conjunction with each other. There is no federal law banning private ownership nationwide, however each state can impose their own restriction.

Really? So I guess the ones OK'ing these applications don't know jack, and neither do I? Because even if they don't, I sure do, and that's why they told me to just get them these receipts, and they'll tale care of it.