Another SKS question

[Engine4]

Sorry for a noobie question, but after looking at numerous sites (including Yooper's), & searching here, I'm still as confused as before.

I have this Chinese one I got at the Westminster gun show years ago. Is it a type 56? What is the year? I've seen plenty of blade bayonets, but not too many of these spikes. How come? The 9696 is the arsenal, correct?

 

[yellowsled]

Yea that's the Arsenal number. That's a commercial production one. In mint condition with all matching parts it's maybe a 300-350 gun. The spikes are on the later ones. Nothing rare about that.

 

[wilcam47]

nice looking gun....Choot it!

 

[Rack&Roll]

And den have sum gumbo, oh yah...

 

[lee2]

Yea that's the Arsenal number. That's a commercial production one. In mint condition with all matching parts it's maybe a 300-350 gun. The spikes are on the later ones. Nothing rare about that.

i'd buy that for $300 all day long!
nice rifle.

 

[Straightbolt]

Yea that's the Arsenal number. That's a commercial production one. In mint condition with all matching parts it's maybe a 300-350 gun. The spikes are on the later ones. Nothing rare about that.

Show me a # matching one in "mint condition" for $300 today

 

[Engine4]

Yea that's the Arsenal number. That's a commercial production one. In mint condition with all matching parts it's maybe a 300-350 gun. The spikes are on the later ones. Nothing rare about that.

Thanks! I figured it is commercial one. Do you know which arsenal that is?

nice looking gun....Choot it!

I do!

i'd buy that for $300 all day long!
nice rifle.

Sorry, I'm keeping this one.


What about dating it? I get different opinions on different sites as to figuring it out.

 

[somd_mustangs]

What about dating it? I get different opinions on different sites as to figuring it out.

now there's a straight line .....

 

[Engine4]

now there's a straight line .....

Yeah, maybe I'm looking at the wrong sites......

 

[somd_mustangs]

chicka-chicka-bow-wow...

 

[Combloc]

Unless it's from Arsenal 26, there is no reliable way to date it.

 

[yellowsled]

Unless it's from Arsenal 26, there is no reliable way to date it.

What combloc said, Zero way to date it, sorry. Factory 26 SKS's are the only ones that can be dated.

Same with the factory, there are no good records to what factory is what number.

 

[Straightbolt]

Dating is the main reason the ATF used to never allow Chinese SKS rifles C&R status.
Now the cats out of the bag with the Sino-Albanian beater ones they recently granted C&R status.
As far as anyone knows now they are all C&R.

 

[wilcam47]

chicka-chicka-bow-wow...

I saw a kids book at walmart referencing this....wonder if they realized its true reference

 

[Machodoc]

Dating is the main reason the ATF used to never allow Chinese SKS rifles C&R status.
Now the cats out of the bag with the Sino-Albanian beater ones they recently granted C&R status.
As far as anyone knows now they are all C&R.

Not so. BATFE knew the time window during which those rifle were shipped to Albania, and that happened over 50 years ago. The importers were apparently able to make a persuasive argument based upon when the Chinese started, and stopped, providing materiel support to the Hoxha regime.

If anyone makes the assumption that they are now all C&R, and they sell the wrong one as such, they might get a surprise.

 

[yellowsled]

And get sent to federal pound me in a$$ prison for selling a newer production Sks as C&R.

 

[ken792]

Yes, characters say it's a Type 56.

The recent batch of imports from Albania were earlier production guns, so that's why they have blade bayonets. Yours was imported before the first assault weapon ban in 1989 stopped the importation of evil rifles (bayonet is an evil feature). The vast majority of the Chinese ones imported before 1996 had spike bayonets. They were a bit later production than the blade bayonet ones.

 

[Rem700fan]

Google " Chinese sks survey". You can get an idea of when it was made by looking at dates of slight changes in manufacture listed on that site. This is assuming all factories made those changes during the same time period.

 

[Machodoc]

Google " Chinese sks survey". You can get an idea of when it was made by looking at dates of slight changes in manufacture listed on that site. This is assuming all factories made those changes during the same time period.

There were three or four (including me) people trying to sort out the changes and dates that they happened. Most were doing this by comparing various rifles and markings -- which is as reasonable an approach as any. I tried looking at things such as Mao's movement to create a "Third Front" by building railroads into the interior of the country, and creating arsenals and other industries away from their traditional sites in the major coastal cities. I also looked at government and police powers, and who was using what, and when (and who was exporting what, and why).

The guys who compared parts and changes have come up with some fairly reasoned hypotheses about chronology and dating, but it can't be considered factual.

My conclusions from looking at political and manufacturing influences showed some factual broad trends, but nothing definitive to date specific rifles.

In short, we may claim that we know, but we really don't know that much for sure. We have a window of a few years (under 5, if I recall correctly) during which the Chinese provided the Albanians with arms and ammo, and it's clear that all of the rifles provided the Albanians were <26> (Jianshe arsenal) production.

We can only hope that sometime in the future Chinese manufacturing records will surface and we'll get access to production data on these rifles.

 

[Straightbolt]

Not so. BATFE knew the time window during which those rifle were shipped to Albania, and that happened over 50 years ago. The importers were apparently able to make a persuasive argument based upon when the Chinese started, and stopped, providing materiel support to the Hoxha regime.

If anyone makes the assumption that they are now all C&R, and they sell the wrong one as such, they might get a surprise.

How do they tell the difference between those shipped to Albania and any other blade bayonet older Chinese SKS ?
We had older blade bayonet SKS rifles (Sino-Soviet) here a hell of a long time before these were ever imported and they weren't C&R then.
Does the ATF have a comprehensive list with all the serial #'s of those that are C&R and those that are NOT
How will you Know if you are buying one of "Those" or one from years ago ?