9mm vs. .45 - Settled

[Vile Shadow]

Yes, let's shoot the Ebola patients and spray their blood all over the place.

You just have to do that from far away.

 

[Traveler]

Just like the zombie apoc. You just need a flame thrower for cleanup.

 

[pleasant1911]

I saw on this gun tv show on outdoor tv, i forgot what it was called but they shot couple calibers at a book to see how effective books were or something, and i think 9mm went through more books than the 45, so that could mean if you shoot a fat man in the tummy, and you hit no bones, the 9 might go through him, where the 45 stops in his body somewhere???? I ll take a 45 any day, except if i have to pay for bullets at the range. I know its easier, FOR ME, to reload 45 than 9, or it makes me feel better, bc i feel i am saving more money...I say 45 because i am a fan of 1911's

 

[alucard0822]

I saw on this gun tv show on outdoor tv, i forgot what it was called but they shot couple calibers at a book to see how effective books were or something, and i think 9mm went through more books than the 45, so that could mean if you shoot a fat man in the tummy, and you hit no bones, the 9 might go through him, where the 45 stops in his body somewhere???? I ll take a 45 any day, except if i have to pay for bullets at the range. I know its easier, FOR ME, to reload 45 than 9, or it makes me feel better, bc i feel i am saving more money...I say 45 because i am a fan of 1911's

hard penetration benefits from high sectional density, basically momentum vs frontal area, different than soft tissue penetration, especially with expanding bullts. 45 has a lot more momentum than 9mm, but also a lot more frontal area, pretty much the reason 38 Super and 357 mag came about, both will out penetrate 45 through barriers by a wide margin, modern 9+p does well too, but heavy 357, 40 and 10mm usually has a improvement over 9mm's momentum, but retains a high SD, so tends to out penetrate 9 and 45 through most barriers. Thing is in soft tissue with expanding ammo, some of the faster calibers like 357 can expand much larger from high energy, but lack the momentum to out penetrate the same bullet in a slower caliber, the reason 357 sig with 9mm bullets failed a lot of tests till ammo makers redesigned controlled expansion bullets to keep from over-expanding.

Personally for defensive loads I like mild and heavy 10mm, 180+gr 1100FPS or under, low pressure, usually good capacity, mild blast and recoil like a light 45 or heavy 9. Really easy to control and shoot fast especially considering the larger frame and grip, but a fair amount more power. Much more gentle than a 40 with similar ballistics, but outperforms most duty calibers at least on paper. Mild and heavy 40 or hot and heavy 9 comes close, but has to run a higher pressure from a shorter case, so they are a bit more rude, mild 45 can be great as long as you don't loose much capacity from it.

 

[Mr.Blue]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77a_1412633094

NSFW

This is an after math video from Brazil of a drug dealer who got shot in the head by an AR-15.

Brain mostly ejected from his head, eye balls completely blown out of the sockets.

Unreal!! No more drug selling to children for that low life. Thanks for the link.

 

[Mr.Blue]

Different Rounds For Different Situations

I'm a .45 guy, but the problem for me with the .45 is low capacity.

For home defense, I use a XD45 Tactical with 13+1 of Hornady TAP.

For carry, I used to carry a M&P 9c with 12+1 of NYC Police Load, Gold Dot 9mm+P.

If I was going to be in a shoot out or had to defend my family, land, and myself, like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, I would have my CZ SP-01 loaded with 19+1 of Gold Dot 9mm +P. I want the ability to carry more rounds.

I guess I've come over to the 9mm side. It's much easier to practice with cheaper 9mm, so I guess I've gotten better with it than .45acp.

 

[outrider58]

Back to the OP....Lots of brothas walkin round wif 9 mils in they bodies. Not so many wif foty-fives.:

 

[thai]

Don't forget the .44 Magnum of the desert eagle. What was the capacity of the pistol? 8+1? That is 45 ounce of Israeli goodness! I need to get one to compliment my Tavor.

 

[Vile Shadow]

Don't forget the .44 Magnum of the desert eagle. What was the capacity of the pistol? 8+1? That is 45 ounce of Israeli goodness! I need to get one to compliment my Tavor.

Gotta have a big pair of meathooks to handle one of those. They're BIG pistols.

 

[Blaster229]

I saw on this gun tv show on outdoor tv, i forgot what it was called but they shot couple calibers at a book to see how effective books were or something, and i think 9mm went through more books than the 45, so that could mean if you shoot a fat man in the tummy, and you hit no bones, the 9 might go through him, where the 45 stops in his body somewhere???? I ll take a 45 any day, except if i have to pay for bullets at the range. I know its easier, FOR ME, to reload 45 than 9, or it makes me feel better, bc i feel i am saving more money...I say 45 because i am a fan of 1911's

One consideration about penetration is clothing as well. The big, wide mouth of a .45 HP swallows more fabric than a 9mm too. So this MAY have an effect on penetration and the wound cavity.
Maybe carry a 9mm in the winter and .45 in the warmer months?

Unless you're trained for head shots then it doesn't matter

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Gotta have a big pair of meathooks to handle one of those. They're BIG pistols.

Amen for the BIG MEATHOOKS REQUIRED TO HANDLE A Desert Eagle.

At the range it can be managed in a managed situation. In extremis, not so much unless ya got big old paws. That's why I had one but no longer do. Came and went quickly. Lovely bit of gear. Very well made. Physical inadequacy (size matters) apparently is an important law of physics.

 

[BradMacc82]

Gotta have a big pair of meathooks to handle one of those. They're BIG pistols.

Don't have bear paws, but have no problems hanging onto the Desert Eagle - 50AE, 44 Mag or 357 variant.

Good thing is, even if you miss with every shot - the DE makes a good melee tool when empty.

 

[TheGunnyRet]

I figured have both and be done with it, there will always be a debate over which is best. A far as limp or girly hurt wrists then your not handling the pistol correctly. My wife fired my FNX-45, she's about buck 20 and the only thing she complained about it was louder than the 9mm. Anyone can shoot any pistol if you do it right. Though accuracy & quantity never fail.

 

[Blaster229]

I have a derringer. One barrel is .45 and the other is 9mm.
Problem solved :-)

 

[outrider58]

I have a derringer. One barrel is .45 and the other is 9mm.
Problem solved :-)

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

[Traveler]

I have a derringer. One barrel is .45 and the other is 9mm.
Problem solved :-)

Nah, there are only two reasons to carry 9mm over .45 ACP.

1. you have girly hands
2. you want more rounds in the magazine because you don't want to spend time at the range

 

[dreadpirate]

I own and shoot both. In terms of pure fun; I like the 45.

I like the idea of the 2 barrel 45/9mm derringer.