80 Percent lower builds

[webb297]

Maybe they will teach you whom to call for answers in your 5th year of school...

You mentioned that there was a lot of misinformation in this thread, please point out the posting you think is not correct (other than the fact the AKs only have receivers, not lower receivers)?

 

[Fox123]

One is the repeated use of the term "manufacture" vs machine or build.

Manufacture is a term that implies a business venture vs machining or building your own for personal use in compliance with GCA '68

 

[aquaman]

That's not a "lower". It's a receiver.

Seems to me yet another internet ninja has decided ak's are just like ar's and the parts are interchangeable.

No.

AKs do not have "lowers". That implies there is an "upper" to accompany. Care to show a photo of an AK "upper"?

They might as well be the same. Everyone can't wait to bolt on AR stocks, magpul, rails, shitty railed top covers so they have a 'flat top upper'

 

[armed ferret]

Thankfully enough of us still have some sense.

 

[Sewer Rat]

One is the repeated use of the term "manufacture" vs machine or build.

Manufacture is a term that implies a business venture vs machining or building your own for personal use in compliance with GCA '68

um... no it doesn't...

 

[deerhtr]

ummm manufacture means just that you made it. because if you make something you shouldnt gca of 68 says you manufactured itand atf slaps your you know what

 

[DaemonAssassin]

um... no it doesn't...

ummm manufacture means just that you made it. because if you make something you shouldnt gca of 68 says you manufactured itand atf slaps your you know what

Guys. Page 5 near the end.

http://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf

9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for
resale?
Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA
provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or
possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic
rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In
addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An
application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing
that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18 U.S.C.
§ 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).

 

[deerhtr]

I stand corrected sorry for the misinformation i previously puked out. but I still would not do a 80% right now.

 

[MEGARMS]

but I still would not do a 80% right now.

Or certainly would not document that I did so in an open/public forum such as this.

 

[ar15dave]

Sorry to raise such stink. Sorry to have used the wrong terms with regards to ARs and AKs. Was only looking for general terms and not trying to be gun specific.

Thanks for all the answers. But, like I said in OP was just wondering why folks were talking of buying Poly AR lowers post OCT 1 and doing builds. how were they able to do so. Guess if they build HBARs or Pistols they would be legal.

Anyway, thanks again,

Dave

 

[teratos]

This is a gray area. In the unlikely event that it was discovered that you finished an 80% lower after 10/1/13, it could result in an expensive legal battle. If it is OK to finish an 80% lower after 10/1/13 for the purpose of building an HBAR, why can't you go to the local gun shop and buy a stripped lower?

 

[tttongli]

Sorry to raise such stink. Sorry to have used the wrong terms with regards to ARs and AKs. Was only looking for general terms and not trying to be gun specific.

Thanks for all the answers. But, like I said in OP was just wondering why folks were talking of buying Poly AR lowers post OCT 1 and doing builds. how were they able to do so. Guess if they build HBARs or Pistols they would be legal.

Anyway, thanks again,

Dave

MD is not the whole world.

 

[Alphabrew]

I'm not sure I am on board with finishing an 80% AR receiver post 10/1 and saying you're building a pistol or an HBAR. If it were that easy, it seems like you could buy a virgin lower and fill out the 4473 paperwork on it as "handgun" or "other" or whatever and be good to go. At the very least it seems like a gray area.

 

[mhemling33]

I'm not sure I am on board with finishing an 80% AR receiver post 10/1 and saying you're building a pistol or an HBAR. If it were that easy, it seems like you could buy a virgin lower and fill out the 4473 paperwork on it as "handgun" or "other" or whatever and be good to go. At the very least it seems like a gray area.

I agree with you I was going to attempt to sell my 80% lowers as H-Bar 80%'s and I changed the drilling depth dimension for the pocket from 1.249" to 1.251" to show a difference. Due to the fact we can't get stripped/virgin lowers this approach would likely not fly.

On the other hand being able to tell when the lower was drilled is almost impossible but I would hate to get caught.

 

[Squaregrouper]

I agree with you I was going to attempt to sell my 80% lowers as H-Bar 80%'s and I changed the drilling depth dimension for the pocket from 1.249" to 1.251" to show a difference. Due to the fact we can't get stripped/virgin lowers this approach would likely not fly.

On the other hand being able to tell when the lower was drilled is almost impossible but I would hate to get caught.

In another thread, I repeatedly mentioned this referencing the Polymer 80 lowers. They didn't ship the first one until after 10/1. Because of this, there is no way to defend yourself in MD if prosecuted. The burden of proof will be satisfied for the state. Other 80% lowers could have been, may have been or were completed prior to 10/1. Prosecutors would have a tough time proving a completion date but the accused would be out a lot in attorney's fees nonetheless.

 

[mhemling33]

In another thread, I repeatedly mentioned this referencing the Polymer 80 lowers. They didn't ship the first one until after 10/1. Because of this, there is no way to defend yourself in MD if prosecuted. The burden of proof will be satisfied for the state. Other 80% lowers could have been, may have been or were completed prior to 10/1. Prosecutors would have a tough time proving a completion date but the accused would be out a lot in attorney's fees nonetheless.

very true... Also a credit card purchase over the internet after 10/1 would really be hard to fight.

 

[amoebicmagician]

WAIT, I have three 80% lowers I finished before 10/1

was I supposed to fill out some kind of paperwork? Am I screwed now?!

 

[teratos]

WAIT, I have three 80% lowers I finished before 10/1

was I supposed to fill out some kind of paperwork? Am I screwed now?!

Nope, you are fineby the letter of the law. It doesn't mean the State couldn't try something, but the burden of proof would be on them to prove you finished them after 10/1/13.

 

[amoebicmagician]

OH THANK GOD

WHEW, I almost shit a brick there

 

[spfrazierjr]

very true... Also a credit card purchase over the internet after 10/1 would really be hard to fight.

Correct me if I am wrong, but can't you put an upper on the lowers you sell prior to machining? I believe that the ones you sell are the same ones I bought prior to 10/1 (yes they were finished before the date). If you put an hbar upper on before machining, then this seems like the best way to do it after 10/1 since the firearm would be an hbar (although I would not recommend it, it may be possible). IANAL, this is just MY OPINION.