80 Percent lower builds

[Ab_Normal]

Correct me if I am wrong, but can't you put an upper on the lowers you sell prior to machining? I believe that the ones you sell are the same ones I bought prior to 10/1 (yes they were finished before the date). If you put an hbar upper on before machining, then this seems like the best way to do it after 10/1 since the firearm would be an hbar (although I would not recommend it, it may be possible). IANAL, this is just MY OPINION.

Yes that would be legal using the same definition the MSP is using to say stripped lowers are banned. Should apply to making an AR pistol too.

I have yet to see anything from MSP stating what constitutes an HBAR but it would seem that anything that uses a .750 or larger gas block and is noticeably larger than the 5/8" nominal size barrels would qualify as HBAR.

 

[mhemling33]

You can but I still wouldn't risk it... I would get Colt Sporter engraved on it

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[Ab_Normal]

You can but I still wouldn't risk it... I would get Colt Sporter engraved on it

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How about Sporter HBAR? Remember it applies to all copies regardless of manufacturer.

 

[TerminatorSVT]

Guys. Page 5 near the end.

http://www.atf.gov/files/firearms/industry/0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf

I agree with Daemon. I just looked over SB281 and could not find where it says you are not allowed to purchase an AK flat post 10/1 and build it. Am I missing something here? If so, can you tell me where to find the verbiage in SB281?

Thanks in advance!

 

[fabsroman]

I agree with Daemon. I just looked over SB281 and could not find where it says you are not allowed to purchase an AK flat post 10/1 and build it. Am I missing something here? If so, can you tell me where to find the verbiage in SB281?

Thanks in advance!

It is not illegal to build the AK. It is only illegal to possess the AK in Maryland if you did not possess it prior to October 1, 2013. So, the nano-second that you finish building it in Maryland, you have now broken the law because you are in possession of a banned rifle that you did not possess prior to October 1, 2013.

Regarding the AR, there is some grey area because a person could build an AR pistol or an AR-HBAR. I'm not very familiar with the AK platform, but I know there is no exception in the law for an AK-HBAR, if such an animal even exists. Can a person build an AK pistol? A google search shows that such an animal does exist, so there might be some grey area there too. Question is, who wants to be the test case?

 

[TerminatorSVT]

It is not illegal to build the AK. It is only illegal to possess the AK in Maryland if you did not possess it prior to October 1, 2013. So, the nano-second that you finish building it in Maryland, you have now broken the law because you are in possession of a banned rifle that you did not possess prior to October 1, 2013.

Regarding the AR, there is some grey area because a person could build an AR pistol or an AR-HBAR. I'm not very familiar with the AK platform, but I know there is no exception in the law for an AK-HBAR, if such an animal even exists. Can a person build an AK pistol? A google search shows that such an animal does exist, so there might be some grey area there too. Question is, who wants to be the test case?

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to purchase an AK flat after 10/1 in cash and build it, how could they prove you possessed it after 10/1? The burden of proof would be on them and they would have nothing. Again, this is all hypothetical.

 

[fabsroman]

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to purchase an AK flat after 10/1 in cash and build it, how could they prove you possessed it after 10/1? The burden of proof would be on them and they would have nothing. Again, this is all hypothetical.

So, is the question whether it is legal or whether the state could actually prove something. Who was to know that the NBA player in New York had an unregistered gun until his wife turned him in. Do you live with anybody that will know you are breaking the law? Thing is, this is a chatboard that people end up finding in google searches etc. Giving people advice like "How will law enforcement ever know?" will probably end up getting somebody in trouble.

Now worries though. The prisons are full of people that thought they were so smart they would never get caught.

 

[Alphabrew]

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to purchase an AK flat after 10/1 in cash and build it, how could they prove you possessed it after 10/1? The burden of proof would be on them and they would have nothing. Again, this is all hypothetical.

Obviously this is correct, but I'm not certain that this would console me as I'm getting butt raped in prison after some a-hole turns me in. I'd rather just move to a free state.

 

[Alphabrew]

And such a person would prolly already need to have a spot welder, bending dies and heat treating kiln already unless they're paying cash for all this stuff too. Just something else to think about.

 

[TerminatorSVT]

So, is the question whether it is legal or whether the state could actually prove something. Who was to know that the NBA player in New York had an unregistered gun until his wife turned him in. Do you live with anybody that will know you are breaking the law? Thing is, this is a chatboard that people end up finding in google searches etc. Giving people advice like "How will law enforcement ever know?" will probably end up getting somebody in trouble.

Now worries though. The prisons are full of people that thought they were so smart they would never get caught.

The last statement is very true. I guess the question is could they prove it? Again, this is all hypothetical.

 

[TerminatorSVT]

Obviously this is correct, but I'm not certain that this would console me as I'm getting butt raped in prison after some a-hole turns me in. I'd rather just move to a free state.

Yeah, I agree. Here is to hoping that SB758 passes!

 

[Ab_Normal]

The last statement is very true. I guess the question is could they prove it? Again, this is all hypothetical.

No proof required. They just need to tell the most convincing story.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

No proof required. They just need to tell the most convincing story.

Sadly, you are hitting the nail on the head.

 

[jcbvh]

Sorry guys, but I really dont know why you are still talking about this.

It just seems like your giving the opposition more detail the next time your reps get some hair up thier asses.

There is no way they could know if you have/had a AK flat or a 80% lower that you paid cash or traded for before, the day of, or after 10/01.

That being said, I would not go trotting out a non marked AR/AK in MD even though its legal.

I think the intent of these asswipes is to bankrupt people into submission.

Quit talking about it already.

You cant finish a AK flat or AR15 lower after 10/01.

 

[Tower43]

Digging up an old thread... but direct from MSP.

You CAN build a lower... providing it's into HBAR, SBR or PISTOL.

May I build my lower receiver purchased after 10/1/2013 into an assault long gun?
​​No, a lower receiver of a banned assault long gun purchased after 10/1/2013 may be built—provided there is compliance with federal and other state laws—only into a handgun, a short barreled rifle that has an overall length of 29 inches or greater, or if the lower receiver is an AR15 platform, into a heavy barrel model.

 

[Tower43]

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/pages/faqs.aspx

 

[LS3Stig]

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/pages/faqs.aspx

May I build my lower receiver purchased after 10/1/2013 into an assault long gun?

​​No, a lower receiver of a banned assault long gun purchased after 10/1/2013 may be built—provided there is compliance with federal and other state laws—only into a handgun, a short barreled rifle that has an overall length of 29 inches or greater, or if the lower receiver is an AR15 platform, into a heavy barrel model.

 

[OnTarget]

Who sells a 80% Lower Receiver AR-15 Aluminum that is the easiest for a novice to complete? Some 80%s seem to have more drilled out than others. Want to do the least amount of routing possible. So far, I have not bought a router yet.
Thanks.

 

[5.56blaster]

Who sells a 80% Lower Receiver AR-15 Aluminum that is the easiest for a novice to complete? Some 80%s seem to have more drilled out than others. Want to do the least amount of routing possible. So far, I have not bought a router yet.
Thanks.

Use a drill press or a mill. Its not hard to do.

 

[tallen702]

Who sells a 80% Lower Receiver AR-15 Aluminum that is the easiest for a novice to complete? Some 80%s seem to have more drilled out than others. Want to do the least amount of routing possible. So far, I have not bought a router yet.
Thanks.

Start with polymer and once you've made enough mistakes that you can be patient with your milling, move on to aluminum.

The Polymer80 Phoenix150 GenII's are pretty strong (strong enough that they even make an AR-10 version that holds up well) and they come with the jig and all the tooling.