10+1 WCP carry limitation

[JohnnyE]

She's a lunatic.
Someone posted this on their Facebook yesterday. No doubt someone from here lol

^^^ QFT.

As an instructor, it is perfectly fine to provide your opinion, but you must tell your students that it is your opinion, and distinguish it from what the law requires.

 

[Soul Rebel]

^^^ QFT.

As an instructor, it is perfectly fine to provide your opinion, but you must tell your students that it is your opinion, and distinguish it from what the law requires.

100% agree. I can respect differences of opinion but don’t sell your opinion as fact.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Heck , undoubtedly many of the students will actively seek opinions and recommendations from Instructors . And that's fine .

But Instructors need to be transparent about what is Fact- Fact , what is Generally Accepted by most reasonable observers , and what is simply their personal preference .

 

[teratos]

100% agree. I can respect differences of opinion but don’t sell your opinion as fact.

When there are hard facts, you can't have an opinion on the matter. You can be either right or wrong.

 

[JohnnyE]

How any particular reads is clearly fact. We may hold the opinion that any given law is stupid and needs to be changed, and until it is changed we follow it, (lest we are prepared to suffer the consequences), no matter how stupid we think it is.

 

[IronEye]

The lunatic is on the grass in the class .....

I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

 

[sxs]

^^^ QFT.

As an instructor, it is perfectly fine to provide your opinion, but you must tell your students that it is your opinion, and distinguish it from what the law requires.

Agreed. I even go a bit beyond that. For example, her assertion that Hunters Ed recognized by DNR must have been done within the last 3 years might have been due to the part of FSA 2013 that states that HQL training must have happened within the last 3 years. Note, however, that the Hunter Ed is an exemption to HQL training and no expiration is specified in the list of training exemptions. Couple that with they are selling training and other obvious misstating of law and it just adds to the irritation of bad info being bandied about.

 

[JohnnyE]

Agreed. I even go a bit beyond that. For example, her assertion that Hunters Ed recognized by DNR must have been done within the last 3 years might have been due to the part of FSA 2013 that states that HQL training must have happened within the last 3 years. Note, however, that the Hunter Ed is an exemption to HQL training and no expiration is specified in the list of training exemptions. Couple that with they are selling training and other obvious misstating of law and it just adds to the irritation of bad info being bandied about.

There's a bunch here for this non-Maryland attorney to grab hold of, thus I cannot faithfully opine on Maryland law. As a general principle, however, those holding themselves out as experts should be genuine subject matter experts, and provide those in their charge with accurate information, whether it "makes rain" for them or not. A training session is NOT an infomercial.

 

[linkstate]

I’m convinced these instructors tied to a retail shop (that spread wrong info) just want to sell people the MD required neutered magazines they just so happens to have in stock. Or they can certainly order what you need…

Went out of state to buy standard cap mags, well you can’t use them for self defense. But luckily, we can get you legal right here at the shop.

Either that or they have a level of willful ignorance I can’t comprehend.

 

[Biggfoot44]

A training session is NOT an infomercial.

USCCA anyone ?

 

[Bananas79]

Not suggesting masses on thread are wrong,,, my instructor said their was no restrictions in Maryland. But also told us to always check USCCA app when traveling…

And if you look at USCCA app, it lists MD as having a 10rd restriction ….

 

[Soul Rebel]

Not suggesting masses on thread are wrong,,, my instructor said their was no restrictions in Maryland. But also told us to always check USCCA app when traveling…

And if you look at USCCA app, it lists MD as having a 10rd restriction ….

The MD code that the USCCA app cites is the one we are all unfortunately familiar with:
(b) A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm.

But yeah, can definitely see where that could cause confusion if not familiar with MD law.

 

[mac1_131]

Search is your friend.

 

[Blaster229]

Search is your friend.

And USCCA is not.

 

[JohnnyE]

USCCA anyone ?

Operators are standing by...

 

[Blacksmith101]

There's a bunch here for this non-Maryland attorney to grab hold of, thus I cannot faithfully opine on Maryland law. As a general principle, however, those holding themselves out as experts should be genuine subject matter experts, and provide those in their charge with accurate information, whether it "makes rain" for them or not. A training session is NOT an infomercial.

Does this mean that if they give out wrong information that results in a persons death they might be successfully sued?

 

[EXIT WOUND]

I can absolutely see that happening. It’s my fault, I choose that class because it was convenient to my schedule and location. Had major reservations heading into it but kept an open mind. Starting regretting my decision about 2 hours in and just accepted that I ****** up and needed to get through it.

Just chalk up your regretted decision to added self control training. One must have great patience when carrying a gun.

 

[JohnnyE]

Does this mean that if they give out wrong information that results in a persons death they might be successfully sued?

I would be very worried about that.

In my day job I work for an industry organization that among things creates safety and training materials and programs surrounding the handling of hazardous materials. These things are provided to industry members. their employees, consumers and the public at large.

Every single pamphlet, brochure, PowerPoint, script, training manual, curriculum, eLearning interactive training module, etc., is created by subject matter experts, human factors and adult learning experts to ensure technical accuracy, and that the material is effectively communicated. Each item then goes through a legal review to ensure everything is legally accurate.

We are keenly aware that if we teach technicians incorrect or unlawful procedures, or misguide the users of our products and equipment, and it results in someone getting hurt or killed, we would expect to be sued and likely lose that sort of case. We take the effective teaching of accurate information very, very seriously.

ETA: I've had it up to here with "trainers" who have, shall I say, a casual attitude regarding the facts and the law. These folks are stupid at best, and potentially even quite dangerous. It is one thing to get a piece of bad information via an off-the-cuff comment by an LGS employee while leaning across the counter, it's quite another thing to pay good money specifically for training that is delivered by a person who is listed as a trainer on the MSP website. MSP may have disclaimers and enjoy sovereign immunity, but that won't protect a bad trainer.

 

[swinokur]

After reading this thread I hope she is the only one in the room WITHOUT a gun


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[Biggfoot44]

Not suggesting masses on thread are wrong,,, my instructor said their was no restrictions in Maryland. But also told us to always check USCCA app when traveling…

And if you look at USCCA app, it lists MD as having a 10rd restriction ….

Yeah , Yeah Phone Apps are convenient , and modern . And as we see here dangerously oversimplified .

For the most accurate , most up to date , and most complete third party source ( including links to complete statutes about firearms and self defense ) , you'll have to go to the actual website of Handgunlaw dot US .