Senate Bills 0027 and 0099 Hearing Coverage

Vetted84 said:

Do you actually think you changed anyone's mind?

From my experience in testifying in the past on both gun bills and other bills, you can just gaze at the legislators and see that 90% of them have already made up their minds on how they will vote on any give bill.

Think back to 2013. Many of us were there from first thing in the morning until well after midnight when the only testimony we were allowed to give was our name.

It's all just lip service by the MGA.

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MindTheGAP said:

Basically, standard presentations at these CCW/ W/C Permit hearings. Most bodies on the pro-side with more cogent arguments, though some were a bit boiler plate for the movement. Anti's were your standard fare plus a couple of uninformed goobers (who Sen Hough put the brass tacks to) and they structured it, of course, as "Pro's first, Anti's last" so it ended with 4-5 anti's pulling numbers / stats out of their asses.

Truthfully, chairman didn't look too swayed but he did us the favor of calling out an anti's ******** statistics to his face. Attendance wasn't too heavy, maybe 20-25 people.

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CypherPunk said:

If you didn't show up in Annapolis today - you get the government you deserve.
You will have a chance to redeem yourselves in a few weeks.

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Vetted84 said:

Do you actually think you changed anyone's mind?

From my experience in testifying in the past on both gun bills and other bills, you can just gaze at the legislators and see that 90% of them have already made up their minds on how they will vote on any give bill.

Think back to 2013. Many of us were there from first thing in the morning until well after midnight when the only testimony we were allowed to give was our name.

It's all just lip service by the MGA.

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dblas said:

I haven't watched the hearing yet, so I have to ask, did you personally testify?

If not, then perhaps you shouldn't throw stones.

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DC-W said:

Ramirez was trying to bait the very very well educated and spoken 2A supporter who was one of the Post woollard 365. He didn’t bite and handled the trap like a champ!

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Raineman said:

Thanks dblas for saying it much nicer than me.

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Schipperke said:

Seemed a legitimate question, no bait or trap. A definitive answer could of been given that would of surprised Ramirez, and you could of delivered it. Why the focus on a distinction that training was not under the direct auspices of Maryland State government employed instructors, I didn't understand going there. MSP certifies contractors, leave it at that w/o comment on the structure being state run vs certified instruction.

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Not_an_outlaw said:

Can you say, "I'm against the bill because G&S should be the default under the Maryland Constitution and Federal 2A. Then counter all the BS statics on the antis?

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Stoveman said:

Except that DC-W actually testified before this gentleman and the question by Ramirez. But that's okay, I'm sure you will be there next Wednesday afternoon to coach up the good guys instead of Monday morning quarterbacking.

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DC-W said:

Every part of me not only wanted to yell that the Supreme Court ruled that the 2A is an individual right in Heller, when Kelley said what she did, but also that we instructors teach use of force law and what thresholds must be met to claim lawful self defense.

Instead, we’re portrayed as mindless sociopaths. Loved when one of those guys was asked if he had ever taken a class and he responded with a “No”.

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dblas said:

I think you have the two different chances to testify confused. On the Senate side we were done well before midnight and the Chairman started having people walk through and state their name and position on the bill.

On the House side, we stayed until almost 4:00 AM and everyone that stayed got to be heard for their 3 minute time limit.

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Vetted84 said:

You are most likely correct. I'm old, things from 5 years ago quickly become blurs in time.

I just recall both were very long, tiring days and you could see majority of the MGA members in the room really weren't much interested.

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danb said:

Does not bode well for #99. I think these are usually voted on as a group in one session.

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DC-W said:

SB0027 - "Firearms - Handgun Permit - Preliminary Approval" has been voted Favorable with Amendment by Judicial Proceedings. It'll move to the Senate next.
Amendment will be posted when available.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=01&id=sb0027&tab=subject3&ys=2018RS

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dblas said:

Amendment was simply to add additional sponsors.

I look for this to pass the House as well, since it passed the House with no issues last year.

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