HB0824 (2023) - Public Safety - Regulated Firearms - Possession and Permits to Carry, Wear, and Transport a Handgun

[Bertfish]

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@swinokur can you repost here please

Doubles the fees, adds disqualifiers, requires reporting from MSP, and adds to wording on training requirements.

The training add on is nonsense. Also no justification to double the fees unless Clippinger hates poor people. Can anyone comment on the disqualifying crimes they want to add?

 

[308Scout]

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@swinokur can you repost here please

Doubles the fees, adds disqualifiers, requires reporting from MSP, and adds to wording on training requirements.

The training add on is nonsense. Also no justification to double the fees unless Clippinger hates poor people. Can anyone comment on the disqualifying crimes they want to add?

Noticed that it also reduces the renewal period from 3 to 2 years.

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[Bertfish]

Noticed that it also reduces the renewal period from 3 to 2 years.

So it's about hurdles then

 

[Inigoes]

Noticed that it also reduces the renewal period from 3 to 2 years.

Renewals less than 5 years should be deemed unconstitutional!

 

[308Scout]

Renewals less than 5 years should be deemed unconstitutional!

Under this a renewal would cover two years for $100. That same amount covers ~20 years worth of PA permit coverage.

 

[Inigoes]

Under this a renewal would cover two years for $100. That same amount covers ~20 years worth of PA permit coverage.

Agreed, it's obvious that the MGA wants to throw as many obstacles as possible against a fundamental right.

Generating bureaucratic red tape and costs will cause people not to want to exercise their right for self-defense.

 

[Raineman]

Generating bureaucratic red tape and costs will cause people not to want to exercise their right for self-defense LEGALLY

Fixed it for ya'

 

[rbird7282]

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@swinokur can you repost here please

Doubles the fees, adds disqualifiers, requires reporting from MSP, and adds to wording on training requirements.

The training add on is nonsense. Also no justification to double the fees unless Clippinger hates poor people. Can anyone comment on the disqualifying crimes they want to add?

They’ve already proven they hate poor people when they ignored the costs involved for an HQL. They don’t care.


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[lazarus]

Noticed that it also reduces the renewal period from 3 to 2 years.

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Wow? I wonder what that does to people who already have a permit? Just 2 years after their next renewal? Or is MSP going to contact everyone to let them know the expiration date on their HGP is not correct?

 

[jc1240]

Those fees should be just as illegal as any for a voter qualification license and/or poll tax. It is a RIGHT you tyrannical fvcks!

 

[teratos]

The already exorbitant cost excludes many low income folks from getting a permit. Let’s double down on that.

 

[mauser58]

These arrogant and ignorant bass turds just wont back off. They have so much ignorance and hatred for gun owners and law abiding citizens. I dont see them stopping as they just want to put so much control and restrictions in place to where you cant carry anywhere. Also the raising the costs and fees is ridiculous.

 

[BeoBill]

These arrogant and ignorant bass turds just wont back off. They have so much ignorance and hatred for gun owners and law abiding citizens. I dont see them stopping as they just want to put so much control and restrictions in place to where you cant carry anywhere. Also the raising the costs and fees is ridiculous.

I don't see as much ignorance and hatred for gun owners and law abiding citizens as ownership (and "contributions in cash and kind") from the anti-gun groups and individuals (Gun Grabber Industry). They just don't want to give up the perks of philosophical slavery to their owners.

 

[Epiphany]

Higher fees, shorter renewal time - classic.

But at the end, they tried to sneak in:
They now want MSP to report the race, age, and gender data on all submitted, approved, revoked, etc. permits…

 

[HRDWRK]

Wes Moore being sworn into office.
For the future needs.

Wes Moore Sworn In As Maryland's First Black Governor

Wes Moore is sworn in as Maryland's first black governor in a ceremony at the State Capitol in Annapolis.

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[Doctor_M]

We are saved... huzzah.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

I'm starting to think that irreconcilable differences in the nation might require a "two-state solution". Maybe not CW-2.0, but perhaps an amicable divorce. I wish we weren't living in a Kurt Schlichter novel, but it appears we are.

 

[Tower43]

The already exorbitant cost excludes many low income folks from getting a permit. Let’s double down on that.

We need to bring in the ACLU

 

[Bertfish]

We need to bring in the ACLU

They don't like the 2A

 

[MDFF2008]

How does that work though? 2 out of 3 people in MD are democrats. Plenty of red states it’s 2 out of 3 are republicans. But it is still largely an urban vs rural divide with suburban numbers closer to parity most places.

Is it a West Berlin situation where the cities come their own nation and the rest of the land is its own and the cities get transit rights and people outside the cities get job rights in the cities?

Do we do it based on state political leanings right now and anyone who doesn’t want to stay in their new country has to leave with a buy-out offer?

I'm starting to think the solution I imagined for Israel may be the only workable one. Essentially the idea I had for Israel is Israel and Palestine both become states that are part of a confederation. A weak federal government manages national defense, and a few other functions but the majority of the functionality of government is held in the member states. One thing that makes it unique is citizenship and voting. You are a citizen of your state (so Israel or Palestine) and that is where you vote. You can move freely, but if you decide, as an Israeli, you want to move to Bethlehem and start a business, you cannot vote in Palestinian elections.

This might be the only way to make it work. It won't fix all the problems but if it were adopted, it would eliminate the issue of voters pouring out of blue states and turning red ones blue since while they could move freely and work anywhere they wanted, their votes and their family's votes would always be tied to their home state.

We need to bring in the ACLU

Won't happen. ACLU views 2A in the same light the right viewed Roe.