OC traffic stop in O.C.

[teratos]

I appreciate your perspective but if this cop didn't know he SHOULD have known after he got off the phone with the gun center. If he didn't then we have more serious problems.

Can we have “secret shoppers” call the gun center? This could be fun.

 

[Stoveman]

Can we have “secret shoppers” call the gun center? This could be fun.

Seems like the MSP is positing secret shoppers in training classes so what's good for the goose....

 

[GrimReaper]

Exercising an enumerated and recently upheld right I’d poking the bear?

Do you think the MGA would infringe less if we were grateful lambs who thanked them for our permits?

Fvck them.

No, getting the AG involved for no reason is poking the bear. Open carry by permit holders has not been an issue. No one has been arrested for it. This will just bring more attention to citizens carrying and they will push even harder to create more restrictions.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Yes , there is such a thing as gratuitously poking the bear , but reasonably discrete non flamboyant OC of a " normal " handgun isn't particularly it .

Don't hate on Applehd , OC is already on the Anti's laundry list of additional infringements .

 

[teratos]

No, getting the AG involved for no reason is poking the bear. Open carry by permit holders has not been an issue. No one has been arrested for it. This will just bring more attention to citizens carrying and they will push even harder to create more restrictions.

Meh, I like the idea of poking Frosh.

I don’t believe for a second they would be less vindictive if everyone were quiet and nice. Go back to my posts from 2013 and you will see me chastise people for not being polite. I was new to the game and naïve. They aren’t going to do anything differently because of our actions. Be as “in your face” as you can be. They do it with their agenda. We should do it with ours.

 

[Applehd]

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I chose to delete what I was about to post. I like it here and had I hit the post button, I would have gotten a vacation.

 

[rbird7282]

Glad it went as well as it did.
Kinda surprised most police aren't already hip to this either just because it's news or from departments.

THIS. I'm surprised given that open carry with a permit has been legal for years, it's not new. The only difference now is that more people have permits and can legally do so.

 

[Alutacon]

I wouldn't be surprised if your contacts led to MGA changing the statute to concealed only.

Right. There is such a thing as doing too much.

 

[rbird7282]

Meh, I like the idea of poking Frosh.

I don’t believe for a second they would be less vindictive if everyone were quiet and nice. Go back to my posts from 2013 and you will see me chastise people for not being polite. I was new to the game and naïve. They aren’t going to do anything differently because of our actions. Be as “in your face” as you can be. They do it with their agenda. We should do it with ours.

Yep. Enough walking on eggshells, it is proven to not help. There are people here who believe we should play nice, I wonder how many of them have been to Annapolis to testify.
Once they do, they'd understand that being nice doesn't get us anywhere.

 

[Alutacon]

On Saturday, Sept. 17, 2022, I was in Ocean City, Maryland for O.C. Bike Week. While traveling north on Baltimore Ave. on my motorcycle, I noticed an O.C.P.D. officer on a side street. When I passed him, I noticed he pulled out behind me and attempted to catch up. I advised my friend that was riding next to me, at the next traffic light, as soon as we turn on to Ocean Hwy prepare to be stopped. As soon as we turned onto Ocean Hwy, the O.C.P.D. officer initiated a traffic stop. I stopped the vehicle and the command from behind was..." Driver... keep both hands on the handlebars." After complying with his command, the officer came toward and made contact with me. I advised him immediately that I have a valid Maryland Wear and Carry permit. He asked for my license and permit and I gave him permission to retrieve them from my right rear pocket. He looked at the permit and said he would be back. We both spoke at the same time, if memory serves correctly, and I said to him... "Are you calling the Gun Center?" as he was saying it to me. We were both on the same page. I noticed when he came back, his demeanor had changed for the better. I explained to him that Maryland issues a Wear and Carry permit and it is at the digression of the permit holder the manor which the firearm would be carried, Open or Concealed. The officer responded that he believed me to be wrong. I said this is not the place to debate the issue, as by now, an armada of police vehicles operated by uniformed officers, as well as fully kitted tactical response officers and State Troopers had amassed behind me. I explained to him that Md. Code 4-203 and 5-307 are the sections governing carry permits and that is where he will find all the information that I had given him to be factual. He printed his phone number on an O.C.P.D. business card and asked me to call him and to forward this information so he could inform his department. I explained to him that the Bruen decision had eliminated the "Good and Substantial" reason needed for a permit and that a flood of applications, over 90,000, are at the Licensing Division of MSP. I told him that I am not going to be the last person he sees open carrying a firearm. The Corporal shook my hand and said he would appreciate that I cover it while in O.C. as the next officer that stops me may not be so cordial. The officer that initiated the traffic stop was absolutely professional and courteous.

Since returning home from my trip, I have contacted the Office of the Attorney General. The Assistant Attorney General assigned to Maryland State Police is still Mark Bowen. I have a call in to him and while speaking to the secretary, she advised that she was taking notes and was emailing him as we spoke. I explained to her that I would like to have an official interpretation, in writing, how Maryland defines "Wear and Carry" with respect to Open or Concealed. I am awaiting a call, or preferably an email, from A.A.G Bowen.

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So you went out of your way to invite the AG to issue an opinion that open carry isn't allowed?

 

[teratos]

Right. There is such a thing as doing too much.

Have you done enough?

 

[Stoveman]

So you went out of your way to invite the AG to issue an opinion that open carry isn't allowed?

Why would he do that?

 

[teratos]

So you went out of your way to invite the AG to issue an opinion that open carry isn't allowed?

There is no law prohibiting open carry. I challenge you to find it. That who’s isn’t expressly prohibited is legal.

Sorry about your BGOS. I overcame mine.

 

[rbird7282]

So you went out of your way to invite the AG to issue an opinion that open carry isn't allowed?

Uh, the AG can't do that.

 

[Applehd]

So you went out of your way to invite the AG to issue an opinion that open carry isn't allowed?

Did I ever meet you at a HPRB meeting?

 

[teratos]

Did I ever meet you at a HPRB meeting?

 

[Alutacon]

Why would he do that?

Good question.

 

[teratos]

Good question.

Have you dealt with the slime in Annapolis?

 

[Alutacon]

Uh, the AG can't do that.

AG office issues opinions on law all the time. They issued one to Hogan that led to the suspension of G&S

 

[teratos]

AG office issues opinions on law all the time. They issued one to Hogan that led to the suspension of G&S

FIND ME A STATUTE THAT SAYS OPEN CARRY IS NOT PERMITTED.