Position Your Spare Mags Properly

[Blaster229]

During this shit show of police chase and shoot out, the biggest cringe moment(among the many) stood out the most.

Cop was mag dumping into the truck and it's clearly visible that his mags came out of the pouches backwards and he literally fumbles to turn them around to reload. This happened TWICE. Also both times he ended up having to rip the empty mags out of his pistol. Almost like he didn't hit the mag release until his hand was up and pulling it out. Also didn't bring the pistol back into his "workspace".
(Note... as he was shooting, the cop in the truck who t boned the perp, is still in his truck shooting and had not gotten out yet.) Cringe moment.

I was watching the show Bosch and in one episode Bosch did a reload, and did it with his mag backwards. I made a comment on his Instagram about it and he said that he did it properly, it was just that he "Beer canned"? it method. Never heard of that.

Anyway, start out at 3 minutes if you want to get to the meat and potatoes of this.

Practice your reloads please.

 

[clandestine]

During this shit show of police chase and shoot out, the biggest cringe moment(among the many) stood out the most.

Cop was mag dumping into the truck and it's clearly visible that his mags came out of the pouches backwards and he literally fumbles to turn them around to reload. This happened TWICE. Also both times he ended up having to rip the empty mags out of his pistol. Almost like he didn't hit the mag release until his hand was up and pulling it out. Also didn't bring the pistol back into his "workspace".
(Note... as he was shooting, the cop in the truck who t boned the perp, is still in his truck shooting and had not gotten out yet.) Cringe moment.

I was watching the show Bosch and in one episode Bosch did a reload, and did it with his mag backwards. I made a comment on his Instagram about it and he said that he did it properly, it was just that he "Beer canned"? it method. Never heard of that.

Anyway, start out at 3 minutes if you want to get to the meat and potatoes of this.

Practice your reloads please.

The beer can lingo is associated with rifle mag reloads. It used to be a term used when discussing AR reloads and how to grab a magazine. I don't hear it much anymore.

I think it would be pretty silly to try a beer can reload with a pistol mag.

 

[jrumann59]

During this shit show of police chase and shoot out, the biggest cringe moment(among the many) stood out the most.

Cop was mag dumping into the truck and it's clearly visible that his mags came out of the pouches backwards and he literally fumbles to turn them around to reload. This happened TWICE. Also both times he ended up having to rip the empty mags out of his pistol. Almost like he didn't hit the mag release until his hand was up and pulling it out. Also didn't bring the pistol back into his "workspace".
(Note... as he was shooting, the cop in the truck who t boned the perp, is still in his truck shooting and had not gotten out yet.) Cringe moment.

I was watching the show Bosch and in one episode Bosch did a reload, and did it with his mag backwards. I made a comment on his Instagram about it and he said that he did it properly, it was just that he "Beer canned"? it method. Never heard of that.

Anyway, start out at 3 minutes if you want to get to the meat and potatoes of this.

Practice your reloads please.

Yeah that is one thing I am self conscience on right now. Don't have my permit yet but trying to figure out the best way to carry extra mags and making sure based on natural movement to load that they are oriented properly.

 

[systemmaster]

Left handed shooter. Not sure why it makes a difference but I've seen a lot of left handed people learn to shoot right handed and it resolved many issues and they were more accurate.

 

[Blaster229]

The beer can lingo is associated with rifle mag reloads. It used to be a term used when discussing AR reloads and how to grab a magazine. I don't hear it much anymore.

I think it would be pretty silly to try a beer can reload with a pistol mag.

Thanks!

 

[lazarus]

Maybe I need to watch it again later, but cop in the truck looks like he only fires a few rounds and then mag changes twice. Maybe he is actually firing way more rounds than it looked like/sounded like, but it seems like he only fire maybe 8-10 shots, dumps the mag and reloads. Plus some slide racking.

 

[King Chicken]

My favorite part was him having to pull the mag out with his fingertips...excellent time saving tactics.

 

[King Chicken]

Maybe I need to watch it again later, but cop in the truck looks like he only fires a few rounds and then mag changes twice. Maybe he is actually firing way more rounds than it looked like/sounded like, but it seems like he only fire maybe 8-10 shots, dumps the mag and reloads. Plus some slide racking.

He was talking about the guy who is firing while approaching the truck. 3 minutes.

 

[lazarus]

He was talking about the guy who is firing while approaching the truck. 3 minutes.

I figured that, but the cop from the truck also looked like he was probably having some issues there too. His reloads looked more solid, but it looked like either he had some malfunctions he cleared, or he was reloading before he ran his mags dry, or he was firing much faster than it looked and sounded like he was (or was he using 10 round mags?)

Looking back at his 2nd magazine (first reload) truck cop fires for about 2 seconds (might run to 3 seconds) based on the time stamps before reloading. The audio doesn't seem to be picking up his shots, but I can't think of anyone, even shooting wildly, who can fire off an entire mag, even 10 shots, in roughly 2 seconds. Let alone 15-17 (looks like a Glock 19? But maybe it's a 17) You can see his shadow and from the time he has just about leveled his pistol after reloading to the time he starts to bring it back and strips the magazine (also not dropping it, but controlling the "empty" all the way down) it is almost spot on 2 seconds he was likely firing. And his slide was forward at the time of the reload (could have been riding the slide release), though I can't tell if when he racks it, it ejects a round or not.

I also went back and looked at his dash cam video and I think I am counting 5 with a possible 6th shot as I see a shot as his gun is coming into frame and then 4/5 more before he starts to turn the handgun to reload (slide not locked back). It does not sound or look like I am missing any shots out of frame, but maybe there is one?

It isn't a judgement thing, I am just curious if this was an instance where he had a failure and immediately went in to reload and clear the gun, resume firing. Or if he was choosing to reload? Whether that was to reload to be full when repositioning not knowing how many shots he had fired, or out of panic.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

" OMG it hurts".

STFU. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Likely if he lives, he will get released early to perpetrate more crimes.

 

[King Chicken]

I figured that, but the cop from the truck also looked like he was probably having some issues there too. His reloads looked more solid, but it looked like either he had some malfunctions he cleared, or he was reloading before he ran his mags dry, or he was firing much faster than it looked and sounded like he was (or was he using 10 round mags?)

Yeah I couldn't figure out what was going on there either. Watched it twice and felt bad for everyone involved. Lots of weird stuff going on...

Adrenaline: why you practice reloading and firing under stress
Real life: why you practice real life scenarios so that you can perform well in different situations.

 

[Doctor_M]

God bless the police.

I really felt bad for the construction company that's going to have to do work on their own building through no fault of their own.

 

[lazarus]

Yeah I couldn't figure out what was going on there either. Watched it twice and felt bad for everyone involved. Lots of weird stuff going on...

Adrenaline: why you practice reloading and firing under stress
Real life: why you practice real life scenarios so that you can perform well in different situations.

Also watching it is part of why "10 rounds" is not a good idea. Or less for that matter.

How many self-defense shootings take less than 10 rounds? Most. For sure not all. How often do citizens get in to shoot outs after chasing down a driver in a truck who is also shooting back? I hope like hell none, though based on a few road rage and gang land news reports, not zero (not sure in EITHER of those scenarios though either party is "a good guy").

But if cops have a hard time with things, the average citizen isn't more likely to have a problem with it? Someone breaks into your house armed, you very well might be dumping a mag at them while you are both behind partial concealment. But it's okay, 10 rounds is plenty and even if it isn't, we are allowed to have more magazines. Assuming you had one with you when someone broke into your house in the middle of the night. And supposing you don't drop it in the dark. Or try to shove it into the mag well backwards or even upside down.

Sorry, (sort of) off topic rant.

 

[Kman]

" OMG it hurts".

STFU. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Likely if he lives, he will get released early to perpetrate more crimes.

I would make a horrible cop.
Minimal efforts to patch up doughboy.

I love a cop's response to Flounder crying "it hurts!".
No shit it hurts, you got shot.

 

[jrumann59]

Also watching it is part of why "10 rounds" is not a good idea. Or less for that matter.

How many self-defense shootings take less than 10 rounds? Most. For sure not all. How often do citizens get in to shoot outs after chasing down a driver in a truck who is also shooting back? I hope like hell none, though based on a few road rage and gang land news reports, not zero (not sure in EITHER of those scenarios though either party is "a good guy").

But if cops have a hard time with things, the average citizen isn't more likely to have a problem with it? Someone breaks into your house armed, you very well might be dumping a mag at them while you are both behind partial concealment. But it's okay, 10 rounds is plenty and even if it isn't, we are allowed to have more magazines. Assuming you had one with you when someone broke into your house in the middle of the night. And supposing you don't drop it in the dark. Or try to shove it into the mag well backwards or even upside down.

Sorry, (sort of) off topic rant.

Not to besmirch any LEOs but I would have to say I think average cop vs average gunowner, I think, IMHO gun owners will have better static marksmenship, I do believe LEOs to have better marksmanship on the move being they will have some training in that whereas the average gun owner will not have as much if any.

 

[babalou]

Not to besmirch any LEOs but I would have to say I think average cop vs average gunowner, I think, IMHO gun owners will have better static marksmenship, I do believe LEOs to have better marksmanship on the move being they will have some training in that whereas the average gun owner will not have as much if any.

But I wonder how much actual training the cop do receive yearly for things like this...- on the move stuff. I think they mostly just recertify yearly and then put their pistols back in their holsters?

 

[Blaster229]

Also watching it is part of why "10 rounds" is not a good idea. Or less for that matter.

To be honest, he did 2 mag dumps into a vehicle not seeing the target. Seems there were many mag dumps into that truck and the guy still survived. He could have had 40 round mags and I doubt it would have made a difference.
He could have at least done controlled pairs to allow him to close the gap and land better shots.

The cop in the truck who rammed him, should have been lobbing rounds through his windshield immediately after crashing him.
The reload cop(#2) was lucky he didn't get out immediately because truck ram cop sped right past his driver's side and could have easily hit him.

I bet they had carbines and not 1 thought to grab it and take care of business from a distance.

 

[Blaster229]

Not to besmirch any LEOs but I would have to say I think average cop vs average gunowner, I think, IMHO gun owners will have better static marksmenship, I do believe LEOs to have better marksmanship on the move being they will have some training in that whereas the average gun owner will not have as much if any.

They don't get enough or any to make it habitual. It would have been a better outcome if someone with an AR would have mag dumped 30 into that cab.

 

[md77]

During this shit show of police chase and shoot out, the biggest cringe moment(among the many) stood out the most.

Cop was mag dumping into the truck and it's clearly visible that his mags came out of the pouches backwards and he literally fumbles to turn them around to reload. This happened TWICE. Also both times he ended up having to rip the empty mags out of his pistol. Almost like he didn't hit the mag release until his hand was up and pulling it out. Also didn't bring the pistol back into his "workspace".
(Note... as he was shooting, the cop in the truck who t boned the perp, is still in his truck shooting and had not gotten out yet.) Cringe moment.

I was watching the show Bosch and in one episode Bosch did a reload, and did it with his mag backwards. I made a comment on his Instagram about it and he said that he did it properly, it was just that he "Beer canned"? it method. Never heard of that.

What he said. I am still not sure exactly what happened with those reloads, why wasn't his reload indexed and up when he ejected the spent mag and so many other questions. Looks like a bunch of bad training shown by the results. I'm with Blaster on this one, practicing reloads is critical. I have these for safe practice with my duty pistol and practice in the dark so there is no cheating.

 

[jrumann59]

But I wonder how much actual training the cop do receive yearly for things like this...- on the move stuff. I think they mostly just recertify yearly and then put their pistols back in their holsters?

I agree but that is probably more than the average gun owner, most ranges do not offer on the move type things, targets moving maybe but you moving shooting, reloading too much liability that most ranges won't take that on.