Walk away if you can

[miles71]

https://www.defensivecarry.com/threads/avoidance-deterrence-and-de-escalation.97038/

That link saves me a lot of typing:

Your number one philosophy for personal security should be a life long commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Avoidance: The act of avoiding or keeping away from (Three Stupid Rule.) If you can safely retreat from the encounter, by all means do so. For instance, if you are out for a walk and feel threatened or intimidated by an occupant of a car, you should retreat in the opposite direction that the car is traveling.

Deterrence: The act of discouraging someone from taking hostile action against you by being aware of them and their possible intent.

De-escalation: The act of decreasing in intensity. To not let your ego or emotions get the best of you, to refrain from escalating the problem into more than it already is. As a CCW you may need to back down from non-life threatening, argumentative encounters in order to not allow things to spiral out of control.
When these things do not work, then and only then may you need to show or use the gun. Just because we are carrying does not mean that we need to use the gun. You want to do whatever is reasonably possible to avoid using the gun. But when your well researched, well thought out “line in the sand” has been crossed you need to act without hesitation.

The “Three Stupid” Rule

“Do not go to stupid places, with stupid people, and do stupid things”

We all know that nobody wants thugs to dictate where they can or cannot go. Put there are simply some places, people, and things that you should avoid if you want to lower your risks. You can cut down on your risks by a good 95% if you just follow the three stupid rule.

I like this, it may just end up on a slide for my course. TD

 

[KIBarrister]

I was always under the impression (without regard to when or who deemed her blind) the blindfold was out there so justice could be meted equally…without regard to social or financial status. Regardless of why, I see her peeking more often than not and the justice system being played on at least three non level fields. Uber wealthy, working taxpayers and denizens of downtown are the three classes of justice customers I see today. The legal system is neither fair nor consistent and imo is increasingly a political stage concerned with many other issues than the fair and consistent application of the law.

Beyond that, I see the blindfold as either explanation or anticipation of an imperfect system. Anybody who tells me that right will prevail in a court hearing (judge or jury) is p1ssing up a slack halyard in my book. The best case can always produce the worst results. So too, the worst case can yield a questionable and objectionable result with little regard for right, wrong or the letter of the law. So…crapshoot going in. Thus the blindfold imo.

”Better than most” is not a solid recommendation in my book.

In true and respectful MDS fashion, I see the blindfold as warranted and appropriate. I’m not at law or even Esquire or Honorable. I’ve though pored over way too many a questionable result.

You’ll get no quarrel from me. I have seen more times than I care to remember justice failing (you’ll similarly get no dispute about tiers of justice - the only distinction is that in rural and urban areas who it benefits tends to reverse).

Prosecutors are political creatures by design and politics has no place in justice.

Judges here in Marylandistan (and most everywhere) are as well.*

Appellate courts are far too willing to create shitty case law to facilitate the result they want rather than actually serve as a stop to prevent erosion of rights.

(* MSBA just sent out an email the other day about how they ALWAYS support incumbent judges “because they have been vetted.” I just rolled my eyes looking at some of the “vetted” political hacks we are stuck with - one in particular that is a blithering MORON who lacks both the intelligence and the temperament to be on the bench (and bragged about black bagging an inmate that allegedly threatened here from the detention center, without charges let alone trial). I know of another trial judge, with extensive political connections that on the judicial application indicated he had *never* tried a jury trial - but he wanted to preside over them (and does still to this day almost a decade later)).

The judicial system is a Charlie Fox. If justice is blind it’s not a virtue, it’s a congenital defect.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

Honestly, from reading the posts above, some of you have no business carrying and should probably get on an SSRI and do some yoga or something.

 

[DC-W]

Carry pepper spray for things words aren’t good enough for and when a gun is way too much.

 

[jr88]

Honestly, from reading the posts above, some of you have no business carrying and should probably get on an SSRI and do some yoga or something.

I recently read that over 86% of the mass shooters in the last 20 years, WERE on SSRI's

 

[KIBarrister]

Honestly, from reading the posts above, some of you have no business carrying and should probably get on an SSRI and do some yoga or something.

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again? Quite literally to a person every member that has posted on this thread has advocated deescalation - and a few that recognize themselves as being quick to temper historically have noted that carrying has relieved them of that personality trait. Did I miss something, or is the sarcasm getting to you [on your first day on the internet]?

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

I recently read that over 86% of the mass shooters in the last 20 years, WERE on SSRI's

So I'm onto something.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

 

[KIBarrister]

Jim, you do realize that Mr. Reitz's statement was literally the entire point of Welder's post (and was then echoed by pretty much everyone that responded)?

 

[RoadDawg]

Jim, you do realize that Mr. Reitz's statement was literally the entire point of Welder's post (and was then echoed by pretty much everyone that responded)?

Well… he did say he was on something.

So I'm onto something.

 

[rseymorejr]

I realize that I may be called out but I need to sound off about carrying . Some have carried for a living and some have carried for self protection but what I have learned since 2013 is walk away if you can.
Take a deep breath and think about things.
Now some things you will have not have time. But try to de-escalate if it is a building argument please walk away.

I think as a member we should talk about what is important.

Walk away? I'll be running away, huffing and puffing, but I'll be looking to get the Hell out of Dodge. A confrontation that you avoid is a win.
And with good situational awareness I might not have run that fast!

 

[welder516]

One other thing my wife and i have done is to have a safe word or sentence, ours is "liver & onions" we both know if that is said by either of us, we get out without any questions to a safe place.
I would suggest others create a safe plan or words.

I think Blaster says it well the best plan is to stay out of a potential bad situation if possible.

 

[jr88]

So I'm onto something.

No, that's the point. You are advocating people who have intelligent and well thought out concerns on the subject of CCW, need to take the same medications that most mass murderers were taking.
Perhaps reading comprehension is not one of your strong points or maybe you need some SSRI scripts.

 

[KevinK]

Honestly, from reading the posts above, some of you have no business carrying and should probably get on an SSRI and do some yoga or something.

WTF are you talking about?

Please quote the posts you find disturbing, and why you find them disturbing.

 

[Blaster229]

One other thing my wife and i have done is to have a safe word or sentence, ours is "liver & onions" we both know if that is said by either of us, we get out without any questions to a safe place.
I would suggest others create a safe plan or words.

I think Blaster says it well the best plan is to stay out of a potential bad situation if possible.

Yum. Liver and onions! Brian Boru has fantastic liver and onions.

 

[welder516]

Yum. Liver and onions! Brian Boru has fantastic liver and onions.

Actually, looks good but no way for my wife or I. Hence liver & onions

 

[welder516]

Honestly, from reading the posts above, some of you have no business carrying and should probably get on an SSRI and do some yoga or something.

We all have a different level of reading comprehension and i am willing to work along with you and explain my point. I feel we all have a responsibility to carry and to do so with thought and a plan to avoid and to de-escalate when we can.
We must think about the end product of our decisions or actions, we effect many people when we resort to violence and hard to stop the train when we go a few feet down the tracks.

Everyone here at MDS has said this in their own words.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

No, that's the point. You are advocating people who have intelligent and well thought out concerns on the subject of CCW, need to take the same medications that most mass murderers were taking.
Perhaps reading comprehension is not one of your strong points or maybe you need some SSRI scripts.

Wow, straight to insults. Clearly intelligent debate is not in your wheelhouse.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

Well… he did say he was on something.

Jim, you do realize that Mr. Reitz's statement was literally the entire point of Welder's post (and was then echoed by pretty much everyone that responded)?

Yup, just thought it'd be cool to repost the image someone randomly sent me this morning since this thread is directly related. Thanks, though.

 

[KIBarrister]

Wow, straight to insults. Clearly intelligent debate is not in your wheelhouse.

To be fair, sir, it was you that told members here they needed psychiatric help - for:

Yup, just thought it'd be cool to repost the image someone randomly sent me this morning since this thread is directly related. Thanks, though.

saying the exact same thing your "randomly sent" image said.

You never did respond to my original question in response to your post telling folks to take psychotropic medication, so I'll ask it again:

In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again? Quite literally to a person every member that has posted on this thread has advocated deescalation - and a few that recognize themselves as being quick to temper historically have noted that carrying has relieved them of that personality trait. Did I miss something, or is the sarcasm getting to you [on your first day on the internet]?