MD W&C training course requirements?

[Slackdaddy]

I am trying to find the official description of the W&C course from the state of MD.
Is it a 16 hour worth of course that can be taught in less time??
Is there a specific outline that must be followed??

 

[Batt816]

I’m sure this has been covered, but I can’t find it. If one already has a Maryland HQL, does he/ she only need 8 hours of training for CCW?

^^^ I asked this on another thread, but probably more appropriate here.

 

[Bertfish]

^^^ I asked this on another thread, but probably more appropriate here.

I'll answer here too

No. Need 16 hours. HQL does literally nothing for you for the CCW

 

[Brute]

I'd like to see an outline too. When I asked here a while back what it is that needs 16 hours of instruction vs the much shorter classes for other states' permits I didn't get a straight answer. I'm not asking about an individual instructor and the quality of the course they offer and/or how they justify that all 16 hours+ is needed, I would like to see the required curriculum (standardized, from the state, not someone telling me what they teach in their class). Seems like that either doesn't exist, or I have to go through the initiation of becoming an instructor to view the sacred parchment.

I understand that the state currently mandates 16 hours. I'm not looking for a shortcut or a loophole. I just want to know what is being taught before I decide I want to invest the time and money. I don't think that's unreasonable.

 

[clandestine]

Unless you are training exempt, you need the 16 hour course for a MD W&C initial application.

renewals are 8 hours unless training exempt.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

16 classroom hours. Longest requirement in the US. I give homework which is part of classroom work. Heck take 10 people to the range if each shoots 25 rounds . With all safety protocols. That takes a lot of time. Standing around waiting is class time.
IMHO


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[Brute]

16 classroom hours. Longest requirement in the US. I give homework which is part of classroom work. Heck take 10 people to the range if each shoots 25 rounds . With all safety protocols. That takes a lot of time. Standing around waiting is class time.
IMHO


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Thank you for saying this. I have no problem with that being the case, and think it's unrealistic when someone says their 16 hours are jam-packed with instruction and there's no downtime waiting for others to live fire, get prints done, whatever.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

I bet that is why we are seeing many mis statements about Maryland laws. Instructors teaching ab lib. Instructors have to be qualified to teach. Most are probably NRA certified. MSP does require a syllabus ( if I recall correctly) to become Maryland qualified.
So an NRA pistol course with some Maryland law and firearm care and maintenance, Then qualifying . Questions from students can take a while. Some people learn faster than others.
Just remember to keep your finger off the trigger! 3x and you’re out in my class and I’m keeping the money!!


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[dannyp]

I'd like to see an outline too. When I asked here a while back what it is that needs 16 hours of instruction vs the much shorter classes for other states' permits I didn't get a straight answer. I'm not asking about an individual instructor and the quality of the course they offer and/or how they justify that all 16 hours+ is needed, I would like to see the required curriculum (standardized, from the state, not someone telling me what they teach in their class). Seems like that either doesn't exist, or I have to go through the initiation of becoming an instructor to view the sacred parchment.

I understand that the state currently mandates 16 hours. I'm not looking for a shortcut or a loophole. I just want to know what is being taught before I decide I want to invest the time and money. I don't think that's unreasonable.

needs to be in line with the nra or usccpa ( ? on spelling ) training .

 

[Slackdaddy]

So is a MD W&C class advertised as 1 day class legit ?
If an instructor does one on one, or 2 students,, and he can go through all the material,, step out in the back yard and qualify them in 8 hours,, is that legit? is that legal?

Or are the instructors having to sign something saying they gave "Joe Bob" 16 hours of instruction.

I am wanting to be 100% legal,,, but hearing of a lot of "1 day MD W&C classes"

I wish MD was more detailed on the exact training requirements

 

[lx1x]

So is a MD W&C class advertised as 1 day class legit ?
If an instructor does one on one, or 2 students,, and he can go through all the material,, step out in the back yard and qualify them in 8 hours,, is that legit? is that legal?

Or are the instructors having to sign something saying they gave "Joe Bob" 16 hours of instruction.

I am wanting to be 100% legal,,, but hearing of a lot of "1 day MD W&C classes"

I wish MD was more detailed on the exact training requirements

Quick answer No.. unless you will sit in the training for 16hours in a day

 

[4g64loser]

So is a MD W&C class advertised as 1 day class legit ?
If an instructor does one on one, or 2 students,, and he can go through all the material,, step out in the back yard and qualify them in 8 hours,, is that legit? is that legal?

Or are the instructors having to sign something saying they gave "Joe Bob" 16 hours of instruction.

I am wanting to be 100% legal,,, but hearing of a lot of "1 day MD W&C classes"

I wish MD was more detailed on the exact training requirements

The state police says 16hrs.

A guy I won't name (he is on this board and will probably laugh) called the LD when this requirement started and asked what to do with the rest of the time once NRA basic pistol had been completed and the live fire test passed. He was told "I don't know, just take guns apart or something".

The time is not meant to guarantee some high standard of instruction, it is meant to be an expense and therefore an impediment to applicants.

Like any training, the other students in your class will have a lot to do with how much you get out of the time. Get idiots, have problems. A bunch of experienced competitive or professional gun people, probably going to be a good day (or two in the case of MD).

Private training is probably going to explode as a market for those that can afford it and don't want to put up with issues. The next tier down will be small groups booking instructors.

 

[lx1x]

The state police says 16hrs.

A guy I won't name (he is on this board and will probably laugh) called the LD when this requirement started and asked what to do with the rest of the time once NRA basic pistol had been completed and the live fire test passed. He was told "I don't know, just take guns apart or something".

The time is not meant to guarantee some high standard of instruction, it is meant to be an expense and therefore an impediment to applicants.

Like any training, the other students in your class will have a lot to do with how much you get out of the time. Get idiots, have problems. A bunch of experienced competitive or professional gun people, probably going to be a good day (or two in the case of MD).

Private training is probably going to explode as a market for those that can afford it and don't want to put up with issues. The next tier down will be small groups booking instructors.

"How to maintain" can be part of training..

 

[clandestine]

1 day classes are likely renewal classes. They are 8 hours.

 

[Brute]

I wish MD was more detailed on the exact training requirements

Something similar to this Utah document would be nice. Minimum requirement is 4 hours. My opinion remains, anything beyond this and the live fire should be voluntary or be considered an intentional impediment. But I don't make laws and my representation currently sucks so it is what it is.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

§5–306.The law requires
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(5) except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, has successfully completed prior to application and each renewal, a firearms training course approved by the Secretary that includes:

(i) 1. for an initial application, a minimum of 16 hours of instruction by a qualified handgun instructor; or
2. for a renewal application, 8 hours of instruction by a qualified handgun instructor;

(ii) classroom instruction on:
1. State firearm law;
2. home firearm safety; and
3. handgun mechanisms and operation; and

(iii) a firearms qualification component that demonstrates the applicant’s proficiency and use of the firearm;
snip....

Take a class that will get you more than ONE permit.

 

[6-Pack]

I intend to go with Arizona for a permit instead of Utah because there's no picture, hunter's safety will pass for training, and Arizona still gets me Delaware, which is all I care about because I usually drive through Delaware to get to Philly. I plan on PA as well, but PA will only issue a non-resident permit if you have a permit in your home state.

Now that I think about it, there's no reason I shouldn't be able to submit my Arizona application now.

 

[GrimReaper]

Taking the class tomorrow. Not looking forward to wasting an entire weekend. Should be a 4 hours max. Its a large class so I would imagine the 2nd day will just be a lot of standing around waiting for my turn to qualify and get fingerprinted.

 

[lazarus]

So is a MD W&C class advertised as 1 day class legit ?
If an instructor does one on one, or 2 students,, and he can go through all the material,, step out in the back yard and qualify them in 8 hours,, is that legit? is that legal?

Or are the instructors having to sign something saying they gave "Joe Bob" 16 hours of instruction.

I am wanting to be 100% legal,,, but hearing of a lot of "1 day MD W&C classes"

I wish MD was more detailed on the exact training requirements

From a few places I’ve called or heard/read more detail of, most “one day” classes aren’t one day. It’s one day of classroom instruction pre-scheduled for them. Then once you are wrapping up you talk schedules to figure out when things work out so you can meet at the range to do the qualification as well as some training, etc. that will be the remainder of the 8hrs (hanging out at a range for 8hrs. Oh noes).

Places with their own range is easier to just do two days back-to-back.

Anyway, still two days in the end.

 

[lazarus]

Something similar to this Utah document would be nice. Minimum requirement is 4 hours. My opinion remains, anything beyond this and the live fire should be voluntary or be considered an intentional impediment. But I don't make laws and my representation currently sucks so it is what it is.

If it is 4hrs classroom instruction, with the add-on of live fire qualification, sure. But as mentioned elsewhere, a big class and you can burn several hours just rotating the class through the qualification. MD considers that part of the instruction. So in theory a big class would have zero real instruction.

I hear you for sure. I’ve got day 1 of my training coming up next week. Day 2 will have to wait a week because the day after my class my wife is going out of town for a week and I can’t just leave my kids at home for 8+ hours. I am going with an open mind and hope I learn. Something. Anything. I’d prefer not to spend the money just to satisfy a check box. I mean, that IS the reason I am taking it. I wouldn’t be otherwise. But just because it is required doesn’t mean I can’t try to make the most of it.

But it seems to this young man of nearly 40, based on my hunters education, that the state could throw together a similar class for W&C. Have an online component that takes care of most of all of the classroom instruction leaving you a 2-4 hour class in person that actually covers the safe handling of firearms, how they work, some live fire training followed by your 25 shots for qualification.