Maryland CCW Application via MDSP Portal

[MRH]

Does anyone know a place for livescan prints in the severn, hanover, glen burnie area.

There is a bunch of them, look through the list at the bottom of this page, I went to Maryland Livescan in Glen Burnie

https://www.dpscs.state.md.us/publicservs/fingerprint.shtml

 

[Reloader]

Does anyone know a place for livescan prints in the severn, hanover, glen burnie area.

Open tomorrow

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g.co

 

[MRH]

I don't understamd the "I will wait" crowd. Frosh approves

Maryland is now *shall issue*

The MSP must issue permits.

So who has received their HGP under this new shall issue stance then?

 

[scottyfz6]

Ugh. That creates a potential problem with attacking process issues beyond G&S via lawsuit. IIRC courts usually don't consider plaintiffs in regulatory cases to have standing until all avenues of administrative appeal have been exhausted. And that could drag on for months to years before a court is willing to take on a case with standing originating from a timeliness issue. Yeah, yeah, BGOS.....

Actually I have been thinking about this. The law in Maryland says they have 90 days to approve or deny. If they deny for lack of G&S, they are violating the SC. The should not have the ability to use the cover of regulatory stuff to delay it once denied. As soon as they deny, they are in violation of a court order. If they just dont approve it due to a long delay then you would have to go thru the hearing and appeals.

 

[ICW2019]

Nope MSP is holding all non g and s permits until the AG's office responds.

 

[Allen65]

Actually I have been thinking about this. The law in Maryland says they have 90 days to approve or deny. If they deny for lack of G&S, they are violating the SC. The should not have the ability to use the cover of regulatory stuff to delay it once denied. As soon as they deny, they are in violation of a court order. If they just dont approve it due to a long delay then you would have to go thru the hearing and appeals.

Under current MD law all that the 91st day buys you is the ability to appeal the delay to an Administrative Hearings Officer. There's nothing in the law that says 90 days is some sort of hard limit on allowed processing time, or that your permit is automatically released. If you believe that Bruen somehow grants instant ConCarry in MD to anyone who has applied for a permit, I don't see any material difference between Day 91 and Day 1.

 

[md_rick_o]

Open tomorrow

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g.co

Thank you. Have you used them? Funny that they are not in the MD page list.

 

[scottyfz6]

Under current MD law all that the 91st day buys you is the ability to appeal the delay to an Administrative Hearings Officer. There's nothing in the law that says 90 days is some sort of hard limit on allowed processing time, or that your permit is automatically released. If you believe that Bruen somehow grants instant ConCarry in MD to anyone who has applied for a permit, I don't see any material difference between Day 91 and Day 1.

I agree except when they deny for lack of G&S, and thats at any point from day 1 to day 1xxx. As soon as the denial it becomes violation, but yes they can delay a long time.

 

[camo556]

Ppl seem to be under this absurd notion carry permit issuance is instantaneous. I had to wait for my VA, FL, and UT permit too. MD has 90 days to issue permits before you get a hearing to force them. If you apply today, best case you will get it end of September. The normal time is ~60 days, so Frosh can wait another 3 weeks to issue guidance and still make the 90 days. No one who has applied in the last week for any reason has received any permits, G&S or not. There have been around 8000 permits started, about 400 submitted - many who are training exempt - which means around 7,600 are waiting for training. Come end of July, that 400 will likely be 2,500. My guess, the MSP will have to issue over 300,000 permits, or about 6,000 a week.

So for those waiting, come October, you will be at the way back of the line hoping for a permit by Feb, praying for an MSI injunction, while everyone else who was early is flexing on you, and you are kicking yourself for waiting.

 

[JPG]

Actually I have been thinking about this. The law in Maryland says they have 90 days to approve or deny. If they deny for lack of G&S, they are violating the SC. The should not have the ability to use the cover of regulatory stuff to delay it once denied. As soon as they deny, they are in violation of a court order. If they just dont approve it due to a long delay then you would have to go thru the hearing and appeals.

Back in 2013 when everyone was buying pistols before they had to get an HQL, it was taking the MSP months to “not disapprove “ someone for their 7 day wait. AND their were FFLs that wouldn’t give you your pistol til they received the OK from the MSP even after several months although the law said they could on day 8.

 

[Ecestu]

Concur. I'm taking the same position. I waited a decade for this; I can wait another month or so.

I would counsel: If you have the time to spend and money to gamble, definitely apply now and join the hundreds of others in the MSP "holding pen". If not, wait and see what Frosh does in the near term and the MGA this Fall. Right now, MSP's hands are tied by existing law and decisions.

If the laws are unconstitutional, how does an entity like MSP legally proceed? It's okay for them not to do anything? Or should they try to do things the correct (legal) way?

 

[gruntz03]

At what point are they following orders they know to be illegal. Wouldn't Frosh have to take into account that the issuing Agency is a Law Enforcement Agency? Is there some kind of accreditation that MSP has to maintain?

 

[Ecestu]

At what point are they following orders they know to be illegal. Wouldn't Frosh have to take into account that the issuing Agency is a Law Enforcement Agency? Is there some kind of accreditation that MSP has to maintain?

Exactly. What federal agency gets involved to crack heads when the local cops go rogue? US Marshals? FBI?

 

[lazarus]

here is the code and a quote from the laws

(2) A person whose application for a permit or renewal of a permit is not acted on by the Secretary within 90 days after submitting the application to the Secretary may request a hearing before the Office of Administrative Hearings by filing a written request with the Secretary and the Office of Administrative Hearings.
(b)(1) Within 60 days after the receipt of a request under subsection (a) of this section from the applicant or the holder of the permit, the Office of Administrative Hearings shall schedule and conduct a de novo hearing on the matter, at which witness testimony and other evidence may be provided.
(2) Within 90 days after the conclusion of the last hearing on the matter, the Office of Administrative Hearings shall issue a finding of facts and a decision.
(3) A party that is aggrieved by the decision of the Office of Administrative Hearings may appeal the decision to the circuit court.

If someone wanted to challenge that, I'd bet under this new decision that'll get struck real quick. That isn't remotely reasonable under a shall issue scheme. At least not the initial part. Of course

At what point are they following orders they know to be illegal. Wouldn't Frosh have to take into account that the issuing Agency is a Law Enforcement Agency? Is there some kind of accreditation that MSP has to maintain?

when Frosh or a district court specifically tells the agency they are in violation of the law.

 

[Reloader]

Thank you. Have you used them? Funny that they are not in the MD page list.

Yes, training and prints

 

[shershot99]

I am not the svelte strip of dashing gristle I once was. I carry IWB at 3-4 o’clock. Never a problem while driving. Think about how many variables you’re introducing when you swap out gun location as you get in and out of the car. You increase the odds of bobbling it, of Karen seeing you gun up in the parking lot and making a 911 MWAG call, etc.

All depends what you’re carrying and wearing, but I feel no urge to swap around at the vehicle, and no discomfort.

You make a damn good point. Thank you. More variables is not a good thing.


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[LCPIWB]

Concur. I'm taking the same position. I waited a decade for this; I can wait another month or so.

I would counsel: If you have the time to spend and money to gamble, definitely apply now and join the hundreds of others in the MSP "holding pen". If not, wait and see what Frosh does in the near term and the MGA this Fall. Right now, MSP's hands are tied by existing law and decisions.

Maryland General Assembly (MGA) does nothing in the fall. Session is January to April.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Under current MD law all that the 91st day buys you is the ability to appeal the delay to an Administrative Hearings Officer. There's nothing in the law that says 90 days is some sort of hard limit on allowed processing time, or that your permit is automatically released. If you believe that Bruen somehow grants instant ConCarry in MD to anyone who has applied for a permit, I don't see any material difference between Day 91 and Day 1.

Actually the law says
§ 5-306. Qualifications for permit
In general
(a) Subject to subsection (c) of this section, the Secretary shall issue a permit within a reasonable time to a person who the Secretary finds:…..

REASONABLE TIME!


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[Allen65]

Actually the law says
§ 5-306. Qualifications for permit
In general
(a) Subject to subsection (c) of this section, the Secretary shall issue a permit within a reasonable time to a person who the Secretary finds:…..

REASONABLE TIME!


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To you and me reasonable time is 1 week. To MSP, it could be 1 decade. So we're back at court with a judge deciding who's interpretation of reasonable is, well, reasonable. And after a reasonably long hearing schedule and deliberation time, the court will render a decision on whose definition of reasonable is more reasonable.

 

[jeffgall295]

Only good citizens are upheld to full extent of the law…

I wouldn’t be surprised to “reasonably” delay the process that what NY and CA are doing would happen here as far as their new “good moral character” and personal interview with county law enforcement and leaving it up to their discretion. Doesn’t follow bruen but there seems to be no care for any SC decision, god forbid a data doxx in MD too


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