MSI v. Hogan - The Challenge Against the Handgun Qualification License Proceeds

[Bertfish]

I wish I knew what MSI was doing. I'm glad they aren't publicly presenting all their thoughts cause I'd rather see them not give away the farm. The motion they filed two days ago to get the permit issued to the gentleman who was previously denied gives me some hope - if the state caves and issues the permit then self defense has been accepted by them as the law of the land. Full stop on any excuse from MSP IMO.

And yes I do take issue with MSP in this. You took an oath, now uphold it. Somehow they added the consent to search your medical records to the 77R a while back, unsure if that involved the AG or not but it definitely didn't involve MGA.

 

[esqappellate]

I wish I knew what MSI was doing. I'm glad they aren't publicly presenting all their thoughts cause I'd rather see them not give away the farm. The motion they filed two days ago to get the permit issued to the gentleman who was previously denied gives me some hope - if the state caves and issues the permit then self defense has been accepted by them as the law of the land. Full stop on any excuse from MSP IMO.

And yes I do take issue with MSP in this. You took an oath, now uphold it. Somehow they added the consent to search your medical records to the 77R a while back, unsure if that involved the AG or not but it definitely didn't involve MGA.

MSI is a party to Call v. Jones in which the G&S requirement is directly challenged. That case is in the 4th Circuit. It was held pending Bruen and it now has a briefing schedule. MSI (me) is representing Mr. Whalen in his suit challenging the denial of a permit. That case is pending in Baltimore County Circuit Court. His case was likewise held pending Bruen and is now active with the motion for summary reversal that MSI filed on his behalf. Attached. The AG's office is representing the MSP in the case and it has 15 days from the date of filing to respond under court rules. And no I won't be consenting to any extensions of time for that response. That clock is ticking. Stay tuned. Filing a new suit will take more time to resolve than the proceedings now underway in these two cases. The AG may hate it, but he will have to come to a decision very soon. Right now we are keeping our powder dry for a host of very good legal reasons, which I don't want to go into here. Trust me, its my passion too. As to the MSP, they are just taking orders. We are telling everyone who asks to apply now and use Bruen as your G&S. And then tell us if you get denied. Right now, MSP is holding all applications that don't have a G&S. We will know more soon enough.

 

[snakep]

MSI is a party to Call v. Jones in which the G&S requirement is directly challenged. That case is in the 4th Circuit. It was held pending Bruen and it now has a briefing schedule. MSI (me) is representing Mr. Whalen in his suit challenging the denial of a permit. That case is pending in Baltimore County Circuit Court. His case was likewise held pending Bruen and is now active with the motion for summary reversal that MSI filed on his behalf. Attached. The AG's office is representing the MSP in the case and it has 15 days from the date of filing to respond under court rules. And no I won't be consenting to any extensions of time for that response. That clock is ticking. Stay tuned. Filing a new suit will take more time to resolve than the proceedings now underway in these two cases. The AG may hate it, but he will have to come to a decision very soon. Right now we are keeping our powder dry for a host of very good legal reasons, which I don't want to go into here. Trust me, its my passion too. As to the MSP, they are just taking orders. We are telling everyone who asks to apply now and use Bruen as your G&S. And then tell us if you get denied. Right now, MSP is holding all applications that don't have a G&S. We will know more soon enough.

Thank you sir for all of your efforts. S

 

[Fox123]

MSI is a party to Call v. Jones in which the G&S requirement is directly challenged. That case is in the 4th Circuit. It was held pending Bruen and it now has a briefing schedule. MSI (me) is representing Mr. Whalen in his suit challenging the denial of a permit. That case is pending in Baltimore County Circuit Court. His case was likewise held pending Bruen and is now active with the motion for summary reversal that MSI filed on his behalf. Attached. The AG's office is representing the MSP in the case and it has 15 days from the date of filing to respond under court rules. And no I won't be consenting to any extensions of time for that response. That clock is ticking. Stay tuned. Filing a new suit will take more time to resolve than the proceedings now underway in these two cases. The AG may hate it, but he will have to come to a decision very soon. Right now we are keeping our powder dry for a host of very good legal reasons, which I don't want to go into here. Trust me, its my passion too. As to the MSP, they are just taking orders. We are telling everyone who asks to apply now and use Bruen as your G&S. And then tell us if you get denied. Right now, MSP is holding all applications that don't have a G&S. We will know more soon enough.

Thank you.


As so popular…… 2 weeks lol

 

[Bertfish]

MSI is a party to Call v. Jones in which the G&S requirement is directly challenged. That case is in the 4th Circuit. It was held pending Bruen and it now has a briefing schedule. MSI (me) is representing Mr. Whalen in his suit challenging the denial of a permit. That case is pending in Baltimore County Circuit Court. His case was likewise held pending Bruen and is now active with the motion for summary reversal that MSI filed on his behalf. Attached. The AG's office is representing the MSP in the case and it has 15 days from the date of filing to respond under court rules. And no I won't be consenting to any extensions of time for that response. That clock is ticking. Stay tuned. Filing a new suit will take more time to resolve than the proceedings now underway in these two cases. The AG may hate it, but he will have to come to a decision very soon. Right now we are keeping our powder dry for a host of very good legal reasons, which I don't want to go into here. Trust me, its my passion too. As to the MSP, they are just taking orders. We are telling everyone who asks to apply now and use Bruen as your G&S. And then tell us if you get denied. Right now, MSP is holding all applications that don't have a G&S. We will know more soon enough.

What can I do to help? Beyond sending money.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

The more they push, the harder they will fall.
There is so much speculation as to what’s going to happen.
Patience is key right now.
The bruen case is inevitable. It’s done. It’s happening.
The real question is, should I get a different gun for everyday of the week?
When it’s mid February and I’m wearing a jacket should I just strap on my Desert eagle? The real questions go on and on.

 

[RoadDawg]

Muskets held one round.

“Motherfvcka, imma say it. Puckle gun”.

The Puckle was a crew served weapon. Only TWO are known to have been made.

Say it MuvvaPukka... GIRANDONI RIFLE...

- mass produced,
- in use by private and military forces,
- rapid fire rate of 60 rounds per minute,
- 20 round magazine,
- deadly accurate over 100 yards,
- fired a .46 caliber lead ball through a 1" pine board at 100 yards with no hesitation.

AND... was in common use EIGHT years before the COTUS was ratified.

 

[Ecestu]

MSI is a party to Call v. Jones in which the G&S requirement is directly challenged. That case is in the 4th Circuit. It was held pending Bruen and it now has a briefing schedule. MSI (me) is representing Mr. Whalen in his suit challenging the denial of a permit. That case is pending in Baltimore County Circuit Court. His case was likewise held pending Bruen and is now active with the motion for summary reversal that MSI filed on his behalf. Attached. The AG's office is representing the MSP in the case and it has 15 days from the date of filing to respond under court rules. And no I won't be consenting to any extensions of time for that response. That clock is ticking. Stay tuned. Filing a new suit will take more time to resolve than the proceedings now underway in these two cases. The AG may hate it, but he will have to come to a decision very soon. Right now we are keeping our powder dry for a host of very good legal reasons, which I don't want to go into here. Trust me, its my passion too. As to the MSP, they are just taking orders. We are telling everyone who asks to apply now and use Bruen as your G&S. And then tell us if you get denied. Right now, MSP is holding all applications that don't have a G&S. We will know more soon enough.

Lawyer shit is generally boring af, but the past week has had me reading all of that mumbo jumbo like it's a John Grisham novel! Thank you for leading the charge.

 

[RoadDawg]

Yeah…people keep talking about it, and now I want one.

They are C&R... If you can find one. I wish someone would make replicas.

 

[Allen65]

They are C&R... If you can find one. I wish someone would make replicas.

The Girandoni is an air rifle, not even a firearm. And an original would be an antique (pre-1899), not C&R, if they did use propellant.

 

[RoadDawg]

The Girandoni is an air rifle, not even a firearm. And an original would be an antique (pre-1899), not C&R, if they did use propellant.

Did it fire a lead ball?
**Are Air Powered Rifles and Pistols NOT consider legally in many counties and some states today to be "firearms"?
NO, It did not use gunpowder. However it was and is all that a firearm is today in the use and capabilities, differing only in the propellant method.
And... the C&R comment was intended to be a bit of sarcasm.
**Here... allow me to make it easier for you.

The following states regulate the transfer, use or possession of airguns, BB guns and pellet guns:​

• California
• Colorado
• Connecticut
• Delaware
• District of Columbia
• Florida
• Illinois
• Maine
• Massachusetts
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Mississippi
• New Hampshire
• New Jersey
• New York
• North Carolina
• North Dakota
• Oklahoma
• Pennsylvania
• Rhode Island
• Virginia
• Washington
• Wisconsin

The following states treat all “non-powder” guns as firearms (this includes airguns, BB guns and pellet guns):​

• New Jersey
• Rhode Island

The following states treat certain “non-powder”guns are firearms (this generally includes airguns, BB guns and pellet guns):​

• Illinois
• Michigan

The following states define “non-powder” guns as dangerous or deadly weapons:​

• Connecticut
• Delaware
• North Dakota

The following states Impose Age Restrictions on Possession, Use, or Transfer of Non-Powder Guns:​

• California
• Delaware
• District of Columbia
• Florida
• Illinois
• Maine
• Massachusetts
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• New York
• North Carolina

How Airguns Are Regulated By State and Federal Laws - AirgunLaws.com

Today's airguns, BB guns and pellet guns are extremely powerful, so naturally you may be wondering if they are regulated by state or federal laws. In the United States there are currently no federal laws that regulate airgun, BB guns or pellet guns. The same holds true for several states, but...

airgunlaws.com

 

[Inigoes]

Muskets held one round.

“Motherfvcka, imma say it. Puckle gun”.

Now you have done it.

Epps1919 is going to have an overwhelming urge to build one.

 

[Allen65]

Did it fire a lead ball?
**Are Air Powered Rifles and Pistols NOT consider legally in many counties and some states today to be "firearms"?
NO, It did not use gunpowder. However it was and is all that a firearm is today in the use and capabilities, differing only in the propellant method.
And... the C&R comment was intended to be a bit of sarcasm.
**Here... allow me to make it easier for you.

How Airguns Are Regulated By State and Federal Laws - AirgunLaws.com

Today's airguns, BB guns and pellet guns are extremely powerful, so naturally you may be wondering if they are regulated by state or federal laws. In the United States there are currently no federal laws that regulate airgun, BB guns or pellet guns. The same holds true for several states, but...

airgunlaws.com

And Maryland appears on none of those lists.

 

[esqappellate]

What can I do to help? Beyond sending money.

Bring us more members. Litigation is expensive and the bigger MSI is the better in terms of representing folks before the General Assembly and the courts. And be patient. I've been a litigator for a long time (nearly 47 years). This stuff takes time. I'm impatient too, but you got to play this game by the rules if you expect to win.

 

[RoadDawg]

And Maryland appears on none of those lists.

Was not the point, the notion that the air gun is not a firearm? Is that not what you said?

It matters not which states and counties do or do not deem them legally a firearm, so much as that several American States (and other jurisdictions) DO.

 

[RoadDawg]

Bring us more members. Litigation is expensive and the bigger MSI is the better in terms of representing folks before the General Assembly and the courts. And be patient. I've been a litigator for a long time (nearly 47 years). This stuff takes time. I'm impatient too, but you got to play this game by the rules if you expect to win.

BIG truth

And thanks for your input to the calming side of things. We both recognize the potential for disastrous results from emotional choices at a time when WE as a community must regulate our own actions and have patience rule the day.

 

[Lalez]

BIG truth

And thanks for your input to the calming side of things. We both recognize the potential for disastrous results from emotional choices at a time when WE as a community must regulate our own actions and have patience rule the day.

Patience

Your rights are being violated….patience

Sorry cannot compute living in a free state

Frosh should be arrested, so should any State Trooper enforcing unconstitutional laws

Patience is why you are one of the only states without conceal carry right now

I get it, don’t rock the cart. But rocking the cart is what’s needed.

Make known to the state police they will be personally sued into Bankruptcy….for starters if they deny citizens rights

Us out of staters are rooting for you guys…start kicking ass

 

[BeoBill]

Thank you sir for all of your efforts. S

SEND MONEY! MSI can always use mo' money. It goes to fund pursuing cases like those we are winning. It takes an incredible amount just to file. Mark mentioned the costs so far recently, and I was amazed!

 

[foxtrapper]

Result 1-Frosh is an assbag

Result 2-MSP is terrified to blink without assbag's approval.

Result 3-"No soup for you!"

Is it a coincidence that I have been a bit constipated the last 2 days? I really need to have a nice big frosh.

 

[RoadDawg]

Patience

Your rights are being violated….patience

Sorry cannot compute living in a free state

Frosh should be arrested, so should any State Trooper enforcing unconstitutional laws

Patience is why you are one of the only states without conceal carry right now

I get it, don’t rock the cart. But rocking the cart is what’s needed.

Make known to the state police they will be personally sued into Bankruptcy….for starters if they deny citizens rights

Us out of staters are rooting for you guys…start kicking ass

So we wait for the ferry to get docked before we drive onboard.

You go ahead and start driving off of the dock before the ferry gets there.

We will all see what happens. But you will get to experience it the hard way.

It's real easy to sit there on the other side of your keyboard and goad others to do risky sh!t. But YOU won't be paying their bills.

Patience is the way we complete the win.