Maryland CCW Application via MDSP Portal

[DC-W]

But recognize the caveat that will be likely pressed and twisted by those defending their permitting laws. “Law-abiding, responsible citizens” is a phrase that appears over and over in the opinion:

 

[teratos]

But recognize the caveat that will be likely pressed and twisted by those defending their permitting laws. “Law-abiding, responsible citizens” is a phrase that appears over and over in the opinion:

Law abiding is easy. Good luck with a legal definition of “responsible”.

 

[E.Shell]

Law abiding is easy. Good luck with a legal definition of “responsible”.

Just ask my boss. Any time something happens at work, they tell me how responsible I am.

 

[kenpo333]

We have classes every weekend, a day class during the week and a 4 night class, if you live in the area. Can include either AZ, UT, FL,VA and DC.
MD shooters gets a ten percent discount. Use of military grade summulator, and all qualifcations is done on our private range. Paperwork can also be processed for you: Best to call to get discount. WE are an isdustry partner!

Atlantic Tactical Firearms Training
www.atftraining.com.
410=5460-0003
410-713-2333 cell

 

[Lalez]

Interesting, so some of these trainers hold the 16 hour class in one or two days? For us out of staters that would be very convenient

 

[welder516]

We have classes every weekend, a day class during the week and a 4 night class, if you live in the area. Can include either AZ, UT, FL,VA and DC.
MD shooters gets a ten percent discount. Use of military grade summulator, and all qualifcations is done on our private range. Paperwork can also be processed for you: Best to call to get discount. WE are an isdustry partner!

Atlantic Tactical Firearms Training
www.atftraining.com.
410=5460-0003
410-713-2333 cell

I travel to these folks I enjoy their service and class. You won’t find a better group that loves our freedoms

 

[Brute]

I'm a little unclear on how this satisfies the entire 16 hours required. I don't see any mention of it being like part 1 of 2 or anything like that. Is it like when I took driver's ed back in the day and needed six hours on the road, but after an hour the instructor said "Ok, you know how to drive, let's go sign off on it"? If it's a condensed class that somehow is acceptable, then this is the best option I've seen yet. But I have my doubts. Strong doubts, because "cash or Venmo only" usually makes me look a lot closer.

 

[Allen65]

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I'm a little unclear on how this satisfies the entire 16 hours required. I don't see any mention of it being like part 1 of 2 or anything like that. Is it like when I took driver's ed back in the day and needed six hours on the road, but after an hour the instructor said "Ok, you know how to drive, let's go sign off on it"? If it's a condensed class that somehow is acceptable, then this is the best option I've seen yet. But I have my doubts. Strong doubts, because "cash or Venmo only" usually makes me look a lot closer.

I'd really think twice about using a training cert that's not backed up with at least a syllabus that shows the training complies with requirements. Any instructor who knowingly signs off on a false certificate that gets turned into the Government is potentially committing fraud and/or perjury. It's not worth the risk.

 

[Brute]

I'd really think twice about using a training cert that's not backed up with at least a syllabus that shows the training complies with requirements. Any instructor who knowingly signs off on a false certificate that gets turned into the Government is potentially committing fraud and/or perjury. It's not worth the risk.

And usually seeing "cash or Venmo only" in an online advertisement makes me look a lot closer too. Not saying it's automatically a scam or something, but I do look closer to make sure.

 

[E.Shell]

Whether training is acceptable comes down to whether the trainer is on the MSP list of authorized trainers. There is a search tool at the MSP licensing site:
https://emdsp.mdsp.org/verification/

 

[kenpo333]

I travel to these folks I enjoy their service and class. You won’t find a better group that loves our freedoms

Thanks so much for saying that!

 

[Allen65]

Whether training is acceptable comes down to whether the trainer is on the MSP list of authorized trainers. There is a search tool at the MSP licensing site:
https://emdsp.mdsp.org/verification/

It's not about whether the training is acceptable or not. The certificate requires both instructor and student signatures attesting under penalty of perjury to the fact that the requirements of the MD statute have been met. If you know you haven't met the requirements, such as 16 hours of being trained, signing and submitting that form to MDSP is potential perjury. And that makes you a prohibited person upon conviction.

Would that issue ever be pursued under normal circumstances? Not likely. But if you ever have a defensive shoot or other interaction with LE related to your carry, it might be discovered. It could also happen if someone else who was trained by that same instructor had an incident (whether criminal or as part of discovery in a civil lawsuit), and an investigation revealed they hadn't really met the statutory requirements. You can bet MDSP would be interviewing everyone else who had a carry permit issued with certs from that instructor.

 

[E.Shell]

It's not about whether the training is acceptable or not. The certificate requires both instructor and student signatures attesting under penalty of perjury to the fact that the requirements of the MD statute have been met. If you know you haven't met the requirements, such as 16 hours of being trained, signing and submitting that form to MDSP is potential perjury. And that makes you a prohibited person upon conviction.

Would that issue ever be pursued under normal circumstances? Not likely. But if you ever have a defensive shoot or other interaction with LE related to your carry, it might be discovered.

I understand your point, but at no time did I suggest perjury.

There is an implication that if the instructor is recognized by MSP, then it could be presumed that he/she conscientiously teaches an approved course. It is unlikely that an instructor who has bothered to gain MSP approval would jeopardize their standing and risk prosecution.

If the instructor is not on the MSP list, he/she might still be a superb instructor, but their class will not qualify for licensing purposes.

Meaning: It all comes down to whether the instructor is on the MSP approved instructor list.

 

[adit]

Do you know what $300 is to a single mom of 2 working as a medical assistant? You may as well suggest a 1969 Bordeaux with her Hip Hop Chicken.

She can’t afford a $300 class, $100 for fingerprints and photographs, AND $200 for a Hi-Point.

She deserves to defend herself.

Don't forget the HQL on top of that.

 

[Straightshooter]

Don't forget the HQL on top of that.

HQL is free with a carry permit.

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[dblas]

MD will try all kinds of shenanigans, I’m sure. Remember what Thomas said:

If it won’t work for the 1A, it won’t work for the 2A.

You guys need to stop thinking the courts will view this as a privilege. It is not. It is a RIGHT.

The BGOS is strong in this thread.

 

[Allen65]

Don't forget the HQL on top of that.

Unless she gets a C&R pistol.

 

[Fox123]

It comes free with the issue of wear and carry:


“(d) The Secretary may issue a handgun qualification license, without an additional application or fee, to a person who:

(1) meets the requirements for issuance of a permit under this section;  and
(2) does not have a handgun qualification license issued under § 5-117 . 1 of this title.”

 

[dblas]

I understand your point, but at no time did I suggest perjury.

There is an implication that if the instructor is recognized by MSP, then it could be presumed that he/she conscientiously teaches an approved course. It is unlikely that an instructor who has bothered to gain MSP approval would jeopardize their standing and risk prosecution.

If the instructor is not on the MSP list, he/she might still be a superb instructor, but their class will not qualify for licensing purposes.

Meaning: It all comes down to whether the instructor is on the MSP approved instructor list.

There has been at least one "instructor" arrested and charged for doing just that, I believe he was a Baltimore City PO. There is also a MSP Qualified Instructor who routinely advertises a multi-jurisdictional class, completed in 16 hours.

"This is a 16-hour multi-jurisdiction (Maryland, D.C. & Virginia) approved firearms safety training class that satisfies the training requirements to apply for the Maryland Concealed “Wear and Carry” Permit, the D.C. Concealed Carry Permit, the Virginia Concealed Carry Permit and the Maryland Armed Guard Permit."

As I understand Maryland and DC firearms instruction, each one is 16 hours and must cover the same things for the basic, but also include Maryland law and DC law respectively. I'm not sure a course that cover the law of two different jurisdictions, in a 16 hour span would qualify for either jurisdiction.

 

[P-12 Norm]

Interesting that you bring this up. MD requires fingerprinting for an HQL, but perversely, even if you obtained a set for an application for a different state license (in MD) or for an HQL application not completed but more than a year previously, they still require a new set of fingerprints. There is obviously no legitimate argument to be made for this requirement. The whole point of fingerprinting is that it is supposed to be a durable biological identifier, and has been used as accepted evidence in criminal prosecutions on that basis of uniqueness and durability. (I didn't get new fingers and the data has not been destroyed, so the only way to describe that requirement is as arbitrary, capricious and serving no legitimate public purpose.)

That is an intersting observation. Any lawsuits pending against MD, I wonder, where that could be made an issue?