For those of you still supporting Larry Hogan for governor...

[Art3]

Shawn Quinn is the libertarian candidate for governor. His operation is pretty small and I won't pretend that he's got an upset in the cards, but he speaks to things that are important to me, and most importantly, hasn't raped me in a political manner of speaking, kissed me on the cheek, and asked for my vote again.

So maybe, if we can help him big up his operation by 2022, and Gov. Jealous hasn't melted down our guns by then, he'd have a shot? I'm not trying to be flippant...I could definitely get behind someone like him in the future. But I think for now, it's R or D like El1227 said. If he had a chance, I should have heard of him by now. Look at the name recognition Ross Perot had, and that wasn't enough.

 

[DC-W]

If am not mistaken, previously Quinn was a gun grabber. Some how he changed his mind this election.

https://ballotpedia.org/Shawn_Quinn

 

[Boondock Saint]

If am not mistaken, previously Quinn was a gun grabber. Some how he changed his mind this election.

Not to my knowledge. Got proof of that accusation?

 

[Not_an_outlaw]

By Hogan signing 1302, he sent a message that he will support anti-gun legislation. Once, before this incident, the anti-legislators may have thought they would have resistance from Hogan. Now they don't.

If 2000 MDS members volunteered for Quinn, going door to door, passing out signs, and contributing, he'd get a bunch more votes. Most people identify as libertarians, regardless of their affiliation.

 

[Art3]

As much as I would like to carry on with this discussion, it's past my bedtime and I might very well need the extra rest to defeat BJ rather than mixing words with my Brothers in 2A.

Amen to that!

This thread will probably be locked in the morning anyway

 

[Occam]

Again with that straw man argument?

A strawman argument is one against a constructed position that nobody has proposed. You are proposing the denying of the GOP candidate your vote, when the only other person who can win is the socialist. That's not a strawman, it's reality, and it's what you're saying we should do.

On the other hand, you ARE making assertions about a reality that we have zero reason to assume is true: that a Republican can't lose an election in Maryland. Yeah, that doesn't sound far-fetched. I'll check with recent Gov. O'Malley for his opinion. I'm sure he'll agree that there's no way a liberal could win in this deep-blue state.

You're treating the process like a video game, and the rest of us are staring down the barrel of a socialist administration running the state. We're one ugly event (another mass murder, whatever) from liberals simply pushing the D button this time around, as they normally do. The entire foundation of your approach is based on a dubious, and possibly outright false premise. But you're cool with that, because ... hey, why are you cool with that, anyway? It's a pretty horrible position to hold, and you seem awfully glib about it.

 

[Boondock Saint]

So maybe, if we can help him big up his operation by 2022, and Gov. Jealous hasn't melted down our guns by then, he'd have a shot? I'm not trying to be flippant...I could definitely get behind someone like him in the future. But I think for now, it's R or D like El1227 said. If he had a chance, I should have heard of him by now. Look at the name recognition Ross Perot had, and that wasn't enough.

Come late June 2022, the same people telling us that Hogan must be supported at all costs will be telling us to get behind whatever RINO was nominated in the primary because he's the only one with a chance to beat the boogeyman.

It's crazy, but if we actually walk away from the major parties, they lose their influence. Support liberty, regardless of party affiliation. The game is much longer than 1-2 elections.

That said, your vote, your call, of course.

I respect all of our members who support 2A, even if we disagree on how best to support it. The trolls and the plants can get fu*ked.

 

[Jim12]

If am not mistaken, previously Quinn was a gun grabber. Some how he changed his mind this election.

He ran before, and got 1.5% of the vote.

He's aiming for 1.5% +1 this time.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Your family here in MD is going to write in, "No Gun Grabbers?"

I don't want to re-read this thread to piece together all of your easter eggs. I saw there is a Libertarian and Green Party candidate on the ballot...but it's not as simple as one of them either?

Maybe we should write in "Jeff Hulbert." He probably has more name recognition than Mr/s. No Gun Grabbers.

My plan is not about the 2018 election. It's about 2022 and beyond.

Every election cycle Marylanders have to choose between the lesser of two evils. I started calling them sh!t sandwiches, IH8DEMLIBS said today a sh!t sandwich and a sh!t sandwich with cheese. That's a good analogy. Every election cycle the Maryland GOP dangles a sh!t sandwich with cheese in front of you and every election you bite it, because hey, its better than the one with no cheese. Never mind the fact that you actually want a Papas double crab cake platter. You're presented a sh!t sandwich with cheese, and you blindly take a bite. You're never going to get anything but a sh!t sandwich with cheese, because you never request anything more, you just take your bite, have a sip of Victory Gin, and go about your day.

If you go back and look at the vote totals for each election since 1974 (I picked that date because i was born in 72, so it's every election in my lifetime) you will see that the smallest margin of victory is about 6,000 votes in 1994 (I voted for Saurbrey then, BTW) and the greatest is over 400,000 votes. They average anywhere from 30,000 - 300,000 votes. That 6k was the closest by far. Hogan beat Brown by 80,000 votes. Also, if you look at the write-ins, 2-4k is all they get total.

The MDGOP analyzes every single vote cast in Maryland six ways to Sunday. They look at demographics, zip codes, etc. They might not know your exact name, but they know roughly where you live, how much money you earn, what your age and race and religion are, and they know you took a bite of the last 3 or 4 or however many sh!t sandwiches they offered, so they will find another sh!t sandwich like the last ones for you to vote for.

Now, if we can get just 2,000 Maryland voters to write in NO GUN GRABBERS for governor, that will get the attention of the MDGOP. They believe that every R and a lot of D's and I's are going to bite the Hogan sh!t sandwich. To see registered Republicans not biting that sandwich will shock them. And seeing 2,000 of them write in NO GUN GRABBERS will definitely get their attention. You'll start to see more 2A friendly R candidates in all the races in 2022 and beyond.

2,000 votes taken from Hogan won't give the election to Jealous. 2,000 write ins for NO GUN GRABBERS might upgrade your sh!t sandwich with cheese to Oscar Meyer bologna on white in 2022.

No matter if Hogan or Jealous is the winner, your 2A rights are going to be worse in 2022 than they are today. Maryland gun owners need to take a stand. You cannot keep doing the same thing each election and expect things to change. You have to make that change happen.

 

[altima98]

That's where you are wrong. Hogan is far ahead of Jealous in every poll. Hogan will win easily. It's safe to use your vote to make a statement to get a better 2022 candidate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_gubernatorial_election,_2018

I am sure everyone thought Hillary was going to win like that too.

 

[Moon]

Oh sure, THAT's gonna work. At last count, I think there are approx. 30-35K registered members on MDS. Even counting the lurkers, no more than 50K, many of which aren't eligible to vote in MD.

This isn't the primary where a candidate can be DINO'ed. Pick from column R or D because any other choice is a D by proxy.

A vote for Hogan is:
A vote against the 1st Amendment.
A vote against the 2nd Amendment.
A vote against the 5th Amendment.
A vote against the 14th Amendment.
A vote for high taxes.
A vote for gun control.
A vote for Obamacare.

So many people have fought and died for our rights to determine our own courses through life as free people that I can't imagine wasting their blood and sacrifice by voting for Larry Hogan, who rejects all the Constitutional principles we (and he) should be fighting for.

The spirits of people who valiantly risked and lost their lives for our freedom deserve better than a wasted vote for Hogan or his evil twin Jealous. A vote for either of them is an insult to all they sacrificed.

 

[Matlack]

https://ballotpedia.org/Shawn_Quinn

Not to my knowledge. Got proof of that accusation?

As I said, if I am not mistaken. I also remembered that Sheriff Bateman was a rabid anti, but everyone was buttering up to him because he changed his party affiliation and said, "I support the 2A." He just forgot to say, "Guns for me but not for thee" after it. No one seemed to remember him being the only Sheriff in MD for years to testify for gun control. I cant find anything past 2014 right now and I dont feel like looking for it as this thread is just a rehash of previous threads. Do what you want. Look for yourself. Attack me, whatever. Vote for him, Hogan, Jealous, Mickey Mouse, whoever. Enjoy jumping down peoples throats for asking questions.

 

[Boondock Saint]

As I said, if I am not mistaken. I also remembered that Sheriff Bateman was a rabid anti, but everyone was buttering up to him because he changed his party affiliation and said, "I support the 2A." He just forgot to say, "Guns for me but not for thee" after it. No one seemed to remember him being the only Sheriff in MD for years to testify for gun control. I cant find anything past 2014 right now and I dont feel like looking for it as this thread is just a rehash of previous threads. Do what you want. Look for yourself. Attack me, whatever. Vote for him, Hogan, Jealous, Mickey Mouse, whoever. Enjoy jumping down peoples throats for asking questions.

I asked a question.

You've previously personally insulted me and others here in violation of both the forum rules and the dictates of decent behavior. I've done no such thing to you and resent the implication that I've somehow stepped over a line.

If you end up finding proof of your (currently baseless) accusation, I'm truly eager to hear it. If you search and find nothing to support your statement, I'd also appreciate hearing that as well.

 

[Occam]

The MDGOP analyzes every single vote cast in Maryland six ways to Sunday.

Yup. This is why they know that shifting their candidates towards a position that mollifies a small core of one-topic voters, and thus losing seats to Democrats, is a terrible idea in a deep blue state.

Now, if we can get just 2,000 Maryland voters to write in NO GUN GRABBERS for governor, that will get the attention of the MDGOP.

A mosquito got my attention today, so I swatted it and didn't otherwise change my plans at all. Political theater by 2000 people isn't going to change the GOP's candidates in Maryland, but if it DID - in the way you like - then they'd be changed into a form that guarantees they'll lose as more liberal voters conclude (correctly) that they were chosen strictly for their appeal to a tiny part of Maryland's population. A population that is routinely vilified by the large majority. You want to suppress the things that make GOP candidates at least marginally viable (in the context of the many other topics on which people vote), and replace those things with a one-note fixation guaranteed to cement ever more Dems in office.

You'll start to see more 2A friendly R candidates in all the races in 2022 and beyond.

Even if we stipulate that the GOP would simply drop all of their other concerns and opt instead for folks who pass your 2A purity test, and have "more 2A friendly candidates in the races," we'd also see "more losses." Because it's Maryland.

Maryland gun owners need to take a stand.

We did. We voted for Trump, not that it helps in Maryland because of how the electoral college works. But his Circuit and Supreme Court nominees are going to be where we see actual relief. Galvanizing Maryland's liberals to permanently forget voting now or ever again for any Republican because they could correctly say that the GOP has gone all-gun-all-the-time ... is a self-inflicted wound. I haven't seen you even acknowledge, once, that there's more at stake than 2A stuff the governor can't change anyway.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Yup. This is why they know that shifting their candidates towards a position that mollifies a small core of one-topic voters, and thus losing seats to Democrats, is a terrible idea in a deep blue state.

Even if we stipulate that the GOP would simply drop all of their other concerns and opt instead for folks who pass your 2A purity test, and have "more 2A friendly candidates in the races," we'd also see "more losses." Because it's Maryland.

We don't need every candidate to be Tackleberry, not yet anyway. Just R's who support the 2A and won't sell your rights down the bay.

 

[knovotny]

Wow. So many things on here make me shake my head.

First of all, SanMan, you seem to have a lot of opinions about an election in a state that you don't even live in. Why are you so ok with us getting Jealous over Hogan? And you keep insisting that 2k votes won't influence an election. They know that. So how is a pro gun person going to get elected in 2022 by those same 2k people? The majority of the state doesn't care about the 2a, or they oppose it. Having further right candidates does not help them get elected in MD

I'm voting the long game. Redistricting. I'd much rather have Hogan in office for the next round of redistricting than Jealous. Perhaps that can gain us a couple seats and give us a bit more balance. That could really moderate the GA for the next 10 years.

As much as I am a supporter of the 2A, I also realize that I cannot vote entirely based on that. There are so many other things to look at when voting. I have a long ways to go until retirement, and a move out of state is just not super realistic. Perhaps PA, but things aren't looking great there, either. So here I am in MD, and I would really like me and my husband to be able to keep our jobs, afford our insurance, and continue living the way we do. The only path forward I see for that is voting for Hogan.

One day I'd love to see a 3rd party candidate have a chance, but until they put forward someone electable, that more than 18 people have heard of, and isn't a whack a do, they don't stand a chance.

 

[danb]

My plan is not about the 2018 election. It's about 2022 and beyond.

Your plan? You dont even live in this state. Its like a General taking advice from basically a deserter. Put your money where your mouth is. Come back and pay those taxes Jealous is promising. Then tell us all about your great plan.

 

[Occam]

We don't need every candidate to be Tackleberry, not yet anyway. Just R's who support the 2A and won't sell your rights down the bay.

Which helps how, when they inevitably lose? Because of the "strong message" it sends to the people who picked them to be candidates? What message - that next time they'll pick someone even MORE unliked by Maryland's deep blue voters, cuz that'll show 'em?

Your plan seems to be: move towards candidates that are far less likely to be elected, so that later, we can choose candidates even LESS likely to be elected.

How about this: hang on to what we've got, and get relief in the courts so that elections can stop being about this one topic, and you can start focusing on what these people mean for employment, insurance, regulations, schools, transportation, and all of the other stuff you're wishing away.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Wow. So many things on here make me shake my head.

First of all, SanMan, you seem to have a lot of opinions about an election in a state that you don't even live in. Why are you so ok with us getting Jealous over Hogan? And you keep insisting that 2k votes won't influence an election. They know that. So how is a pro gun person going to get elected in 2022 by those same 2k people? The majority of the state doesn't care about the 2a, or they oppose it. Having further right candidates does not help them get elected in MD

I'm voting the long game. Redistricting. I'd much rather have Hogan in office for the next round of redistricting than Jealous. Perhaps that can gain us a couple seats and give us a bit more balance. That could really moderate the GA for the next 10 years.

As much as I am a supporter of the 2A, I also realize that I cannot vote entirely based on that. There are so many other things to look at when voting. I have a long ways to go until retirement, and a move out of state is just not super realistic. Perhaps PA, but things aren't looking great there, either. So here I am in MD, and I would really like me and my husband to be able to keep our jobs, afford our insurance, and continue living the way we do. The only path forward I see for that is voting for Hogan.

One day I'd love to see a 3rd party candidate have a chance, but until they put forward someone electable, that more than 18 people have heard of, and isn't a whack a do, they don't stand a chance.

That more of the same, "thank you sir may I have another" attitude is why Maryland is as bad as it is today. At some point you need to stand up, reject the status quo, and fight for change. Supporting Hogan will only ensure another gun grabbing RINO is the R candidate in 2022.

Start at the beginning of the thread and read it through please. You will see I'm not OK with Jealous, I'm not advocating voting for Jealous, the plan I put forward will not hand the election to Jealous. I'm getting tired of repeating that to everyone who puts words in my mouth and tells me (wrongly) what I said. You'll also see why I am so passionate about this race even though I left Maryland 4 years ago. I'll never support or respect someone who doesn't believe in the COTUS and who is willing to sign away your rights guaranteed to you by birth. I don't know why so many on here are willing to elect a proven gun grabber. You can't go through life voting for the lesser of two evils. At some point you need to stand up and effect change so that one of the candidates is no longer evil.

 

[East2West]

Wow. So many things on here make me shake my head.

First of all, SanMan, you seem to have a lot of opinions about an election in a state that you don't even live in. Why are you so ok with us getting Jealous over Hogan? And you keep insisting that 2k votes won't influence an election. They know that. So how is a pro gun person going to get elected in 2022 by those same 2k people? The majority of the state doesn't care about the 2a, or they oppose it. Having further right candidates does not help them get elected in MD

I'm voting the long game. Redistricting. I'd much rather have Hogan in office for the next round of redistricting than Jealous. Perhaps that can gain us a couple seats and give us a bit more balance. That could really moderate the GA for the next 10 years.

As much as I am a supporter of the 2A, I also realize that I cannot vote entirely based on that. There are so many other things to look at when voting. I have a long ways to go until retirement, and a move out of state is just not super realistic. Perhaps PA, but things aren't looking great there, either. So here I am in MD, and I would really like me and my husband to be able to keep our jobs, afford our insurance, and continue living the way we do. The only path forward I see for that is voting for Hogan.

One day I'd love to see a 3rd party candidate have a chance, but until they put forward someone electable, that more than 18 people have heard of, and isn't a whack a do, they don't stand a chance.

Again with the redistricting. Hogan has no power unless the MGA lets him have it.

". If a plan has been adopted by the General Assembly by the 45th day after the opening of the regular session of the General Assembly in the second year following every census, the plan adopted by the General Assembly shall become law. If no plan has been adopted by the General Assembly for these purposes by the 45th day after the opening of the regular session of the General Assembly in the second year following every census, the Governor's plan presented to the General Assembly shall become law."