So, the final version has NO grandfather clause?
Yeah, WTF?
So, the final version has NO grandfather clause?
So do you mean to tell me our only hope is that Hogan Vito's the bill? Which many are saying is unlikely.
I think it is bull stuff. Bump stocks and binary triggers are not regulated. ATF is not going to send out stamps for something that they do not regulate. I thought it was unconstitutional 4 our government to make us destroy something that was totally legal when purchased.
So, when they are required to be turned in, can we mail them anything that can be used like a bump stock. Pieces of wood, plastic, belts, etc. Fill their evidence locker with trash. They file a suit for just compensation. THink of 22,000 lawsuits filed.
So, when they are required to be turned in, can we mail them anything that can be used like a bump stock. Pieces of wood, plastic, belts, etc. Fill their evidence locker with trash. They file a suit for just compensation. THink of 22,000 lawsuits filed.
Is that the plan? If the Governor signs the bill do we ship them to the Governor's Mansion?
Is that the plan? If the Governor signs the bill do we ship them to the Governor's Mansion?
Won't hold water. Remember you used to be able to buy a Thompson SMG from the local store back in the 20's and part of the 30's. Then they outlawed them until the ATF came about and added a process to own them. Just because it was legal at one time does not mean they can't be made illegal later. Lots of legal precedent on this. Otherwise we could still buy Coke with cocaine in it.This is Bull.
Is it not Unconstitutional for them to declare we turn them in or pay fine/ arrest for an unregistered item that has been legal to purchase and use all this time? If there is a law suit v/s Hogan, I want in.
Yes, ship day before the ban, arrive after the ban goes into effect.
Heck, maybe a massive 3DPrint of that trigger thing and everyone sends them in the mail?
of course it does. all you have to do is get the atf to approve your stuff. but since they don't approve stuff their not gonna.
Oh, it's worse than that.
And frankly, right now this bill doesn't mean squat anyways, because ATF wants to make bumpstocks flat out illegal on a federal level.
The ATF has published their NPRM (Notice of Proposed Rule Making) about the bumpstock issue right here.
In short, what they are proposing to do is to declare that bumpstocks (and other like devices) are in fact machineguns. Hence, as these devices were by and large produced after the Hughes Amendment was (illegally) put in to effect in 1986, they are now all illegal machineguns and must be either surrendered or destroyed.
Now, the NPRM is only the first step in a long and sometimes complex process to put a new regulation in effect. There is a public comment period, which is open now. The ATF then has to address all of these comments, and may amend the proposed rule before it is published in the Federal Register and goes in to effect.
Right now, though, if this rule were to be enacted as it is currently written the Maryland bump stock ban doesn't mean diddly squat because unless yours was produced prior to 1986 it will become an illegal machinegun and you can either destroy it, turn it in, or go to federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
Oh, it's worse than that.
And frankly, right now this bill doesn't mean squat anyways, because ATF wants to make bumpstocks flat out illegal on a federal level.
The ATF has published their NPRM (Notice of Proposed Rule Making) about the bumpstock issue right here.
In short, what they are proposing to do is to declare that bumpstocks (and other like devices) are in fact machineguns. Hence, as these devices were by and large produced after the Hughes Amendment was (illegally) put in to effect in 1986, they are now all illegal machineguns and must be either surrendered or destroyed.
Now, the NPRM is only the first step in a long and sometimes complex process to put a new regulation in effect. There is a public comment period, which is open now. The ATF then has to address all of these comments, and may amend the proposed rule before it is published in the Federal Register and goes in to effect.
Right now, though, if this rule were to be enacted as it is currently written the Maryland bump stock ban doesn't mean diddly squat because unless yours was produced prior to 1986 it will become an illegal machinegun and you can either destroy it, turn it in, or go to federal-pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
I believe the feds are only doing bump stocks
ATF is to look at bumpstocks, but from what I read thats it.
Finally, the Department proposes to clarify that the definition of a “machinegun” includes a device that allows semiautomatic firearms to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter (commonly known as bump-stock-type devices).