Wrenn PI Granted (DC Shall Issue)

[swinokur]

The law doesn't say 16 hours. It says an NRA class can be an exemption.

Just my interpretation but I am including it with my app and my DD214

 

[KevinK]

The law doesn't say 16 hours. It says an NRA class can be an exemption.

Just my interpretation but I am including it with my app and my DD214

I did see NRA class, along with hunting license, DD214, etc, but right above those examples it referenced that section 2336.3, with the blurb about the Chief determining if it's equal to or greater than the DC training.


IANAL, and didn't stay at Holiday Inn Express.

 

[CrueChief]

Like you wouldn't believe. Both PHD's and work for lib think tanks.

Oxymoron isn't it.

 

[wolfwood]

What happened with Baker? I missed it.

It got sent back to the lower court in light of Peruta

 

[swinokur]

Oxymoron isn't it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by swinokur
Like you wouldn't believe. Both PHD's and work for lib think tanks.

should be called emotion tank

 

[swinokur]

I did see NRA class, along with hunting license, DD214, etc, but right above those examples it referenced that section 2336.3, with the blurb about the Chief determining if it's equal to or greater than the DC training.


IANAL, and didn't stay at Holiday Inn Express.

My opinion is if they wanted an NRA class of 16 hours, they would specify that.

just my opinion. interpret as you like.

 

[swinokur]

DC NOW SHALL ISSUE !

SAF:

Huge gun rights victory

D.C. Declines to Take Wrenn CCW Case to SCOTUS

Apparently fearing a devastating loss that could crush arbitrary concealed carry laws in a handful of states, the District of Columbia has declined to appeal its loss of a concealed carry case that struck down its “needs based” permit requirement, the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) learned today.

The SAF case is Wrenn v. District of Columbia. A three-judge panel on the U.S. District Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia struck down the city’s “good cause” requirement as unconstitutional in July. The court declined a request for an en banc panel review last month.

“We believe the city was under intense pressure to take the hit and not appeal the ruling by the U.S. District Court of Appeals,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “If the District had lost the case before the high court, it would have dealt a fatal blow to similar requirements in California, New Jersey, Maryland and New York, for example, and that prospect had anti-gun politicians in those states quaking in their shoes.”

Gottlieb recalled that the District’s loss in 2008 when the Supreme Court struck down its handgun ban as unconstitutional under the Second Amendment opened a floodgate for legal challenges to state laws. That led to SAF’s 2010 victory in McDonald v. City of Chicago, which not only nullified the Windy City’s handgun ban but more importantly incorporated the Second Amendment to the states via the 14th Amendment.

“Let’s face it,” Gottlieb said, “anti-gunners are determined to cling to their dogma of public disarmament rather than admit that their resistance to common sense concealed carry reform amounts to nothing more than stubborn denial. These people simply do not want to enter the 21st Century. They refuse to accept the Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment protects and affirms an individual right to not only keep arms, but to bear them as the Founders understood.

“However,” he added, “this decision opens the gate farther to an inevitable high court confrontation because there are now conflicting opinions on concealed carry from the different circuit courts. Common sense says that the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause will not allow that conflict to continue.”


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[swinokur]

WTOP link

http://wtop.com/dc/2017/10/report-dc-wont-take-concealed-carry-fight-supreme-court/

Nothing on the DC AG page. Guess they don't like to publicize an ass whooping.

 

[swinokur]

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Good news for everyone who wants to get a Washington DC carry permit - DC permits are going to be "shall issue" soon!

The Washington DC government has decided not to appeal a reversal of their "may issue" law after the DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against them.

Actually, I'm betting that they didn't do so out of pressure from other may-issue states, such as New York, New Jersey, California, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and Maryland. If the U.S. Supreme Court had a chance to rule on the case, it's quite likely that those other may-issue states would have had their laws overturned. That's OK, the days of "may-issue" are numbered anyhow.

If you have already submitted an application previously for a DC carry permit and were denied, your application will be reconsidered if the justification was "self-defense."

I contacted Senior Officer King, 202-727-9741, earlier today and he said DC will automatically review all previous applications that had been turned down because "self-defense" was not a good enough reason. He also said there would be a formal notification to all the applicants about the reconsideration of their applications.

Officer King said nothing will happen until 1) the DC Circuit Court of Appeals issues the formal "Shall-issue" order to the DC Chief of Police and 2) the DC Chief of Police issues the instructions to the licensing bureau to proceed and how to proceed. This could be done in days or it could be a couple more weeks.

Bottom line is I would recommend standing by for now and I will advise once the wheels are turning. It looks like there will be nothing to do, but wait for the notification from DC about your application being reconsidered.

If you haven't previously done so and wish to apply for a DC permit, you can contact Officer King for instructions on how to proceed.

NOTE: While VCDL generally doesn't cover laws of localities outside of Virginia, both Washington DC and Maryland, which border Virginia, are of such a great interest to many of our members, we do make the occasional exception.

Here is a link to a story about DC's decision not to appeal. Thanks to member Saul Rivera Jr. for the link:

http://wtop.com/dc/2017/10/report-dc-wont-take-concealed-carry-fight-supreme-court/


DC won't take concealed carry fight to Supreme Court: Report

WASHINGTON — After days of consulting with the mayor’s office and city council members, D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine has reportedly decided not to fight a ruling that effectively strikes down the District’s strict law that makes it difficult for gun owners to get concealed carry permits.

Sources told WTOP’s broadcast news partner NBC Washington that Racine made the decision not to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court and will formally make an announcement later on Thursday.

The law, which requires that people show “good reason” to carry a concealed weapon before they can get a permit, suffered a setback in July when a divided three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled that it infringes on residents’ Second Amendment rights.

D.C. officials later asked the Court of Appeals to rehear the case as a full court. However, in a brief order last week, the court said it would not reconsider the ruling, leaving the city’s attorney general with no choice but to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court or back down.

Under the law, reasons to get a concealed carry license might include a personal threat, or a job that requires a person to carry or protect cash or valuables.

The requirement remained in effect while the appeals court considered a rehearing.

Council member Charles Allen, who is the chair of the Committee on the Judiciary and Public Safety, said that he was “very disappointed” that the court did not take the case.

“I think that we had passed a very strong law, and I thought that the attorney general did a great job in making the arguments in defending it,” Allen said. “People walking around with concealed carry weapons is just going to make it harder for our police officers to do their job.”

Gun rights advocates have long argued that the law is unconstitutional and that it makes it difficult for people to defend themselves.

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[ComeGet]

Damn! I should have made that bet.



https://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=4949785&postcount=2103

This is the best of all worlds. We win at this point. Next, DC will overstep the T,P,M restrictions and get sued and lose there too, I think.

And, too, our side can take the circuit split to the SC once we have another Trump-nominated Justice in house.

With all the other crap going on, these are nice thoughts.

 

[swinokur]

Never so happy to lose a prediction.

 

[DC-W]

From VCDL

Thanks for sharing the update

 

[swinokur]

Yeah, even though it's not MD, the writing on the wall is coming into focus for the grabbers.

"You're losing."

 

[motorcoachdoug]

SO how much do you have to pay to get your DC Lic? I have already taken the class.. How much is the permit???

 

[mjester93]

SO how much do you have to pay to get your DC Lic? I have already taken the class.. How much is the permit???

$75 + $35 fingerprint fee

 

[swinokur]

FEES

Alo remember training is only good for 2 years.
.

 

[LargemouthAss]

FEES

Alo remember training is only good for 2 years.
.

$536 every two years.... I am starting to think this is not worth it.

 

[swinokur]

The renewal; class is only 4 hours, not sure of the cost. not sure of renewal fee either

Part of their attempt to inhibit the issuance of permits.

They have failed.

 

[LargemouthAss]

The renewal; class is only 4 hours, not sure of the cost. not sure of renewal fee either

I am going to get around to applying and taking all the classes but this is a substantial hassle. If they increase requirements/fees from here I won't bother applying until the court smacks them again.

 

[CurlyDave]

$536 every two years.... I am starting to think this is not worth it.

Cost is a battle to be fought in the future.

A major battle has been won. We need to see how this shakes out, and then start expanding.

Cost and the idea of a roster are both areas for expansion.