This thread title is still a disgrace.
There once was an "Illinois Carry Will Never Happen".
There once was an "Illinois Carry Will Never Happen".
It's a scheme either way someone use the word. It's "Maryland neutral or Maryland fair" because those most rabid about it and those with the most disposable means and more importantly the time and can properly articulate their case on a good night or those able to afford representation can get a permit, some of the time. So it's fair to those the board feel meet their standard on their particular night. It's just not , say, Virginia or Florida or Utah, fair where everyone who should be able to get a permit does.
So the female head of nursing is a rabid I have to carry nutbag? How about the female doctor? Or what about the Vietnam vet who owns a Security business and has had a permit for many years and got the shaft by MSP, is he a rabid I have to carry guy?
Interesting that you call it a "scheme", I'm sure Jumping Jen and Guzzling Liz also refer to it in that manner.
Indubitably
There are members here that refuse to get an HQL, doesn't mean they wouldn't like a new gun that requires it. I'd like an unrestricted permit, but am really put off by the time, money, song and dance required to get one. Sure Hogan is great, he's set up a system to become his trick monkey to get a permit. It will be transient at best. The Bill that never made it to dispense with this circus will get 100% party line passage next session. Only hope for this state is the Feds. I find no value in a politically appointed board that can make up rules, then change them 180 degrees if an opposing party Governor
is seated. Be funny as hell if the HPRB survives, Hogan loses and Jen and Liz are seated. It is a scheme, nothing interesting about it.
Flux? lmao There has been no remarkable change at all the way MSP issues permits. Honestly, what do they really care a 100 a year at best get issued they've denied. They can wait, time is on their side. If Hogan gets reelected and does nothing, we've all been pwnd. I'm not famiar with the history if MSP denies renewals if they want to push their "may issue" agenda at that occurrence. If the HPRB goes away, that may be real interesting to see if some of their overturns become renewal rejects with nowhere to run to but a judge. MSP will get better results with a judge. What is written is what is, and they have the discretion. I don't like it, but the scheme must be remedied a lot further up than a politically appointed board as a bandage that's gonna sting when it is ripped off.
So ten bucks, a new passport photo, a couple of emails and a trip to Crownsville is too much for you, eh?
And ask the Vietnam vet how MSP fared with the administrative law judge...
I'll answer this one. ZERO. Any permit still only issued to the special priviledged only
so how many average joe $15 hr ditch diggers have received their unrestricted permits with " for all legal purposes" as their g&s have been issued? inquiring minds may want to know.
Carry Permits are only available to those with time and money enough to jump through the hoops mandated by the state legislature. Kind of counter to the Democrat legislators claim to be helping the common working man.
However, the obstacles to obtaining a permit wont go away without us challenging them. I like to think that everyone who overcomes the obstacles makes it a bit easier for the next person.
I'm not Schipperke , and in this instance have no clue to read his mind on this.
But generally : In Britsh English Scheme is standard terminology for any government licensing or regulatory program , and is nuetral . ie driver license scheme , fishing scheme, traffic control scheme, etc .
When * I * use "scheme" in a USA context it is double entendre, and irony to point out absurdity and arbitraryness. But probably too subtle and goes over most heads, unless they also read UK based gun and sporting publications.
so how many average joe $15 hr ditch diggers have received their unrestricted permits with " for all legal purposes" as their g&s have been issued? inquiring minds may want to know.
Indubitably
There are members here that refuse to get an HQL, doesn't mean they wouldn't like a new gun that requires it. I'd like an unrestricted permit, but am really put off by the time, money, song and dance required to get one. Sure Hogan is great, he's set up a system to become his trick monkey to get a permit. It will be transient at best. The Bill that never made it to dispense with this circus will get 100% party line passage next session. Only hope for this state is the Feds. I find no value in a politically appointed board that can make up rules, then change them 180 degrees if an opposing party Governor
is seated. Be funny as hell if the HPRB survives, Hogan loses and Jen and Liz are seated. It is a scheme, nothing interesting about it.
Flux? lmao There has been no remarkable change at all the way MSP issues permits. Honestly, what do they really care a 100 a year at best get issued they've denied. They can wait, time is on their side. If Hogan gets reelected and does nothing, we've all been pwnd. I'm not famiar with the history if MSP denies renewals if they want to push their "may issue" agenda at that occurrence. If the HPRB goes away, that may be real interesting to see if some of their overturns become renewal rejects with nowhere to run to but a judge. MSP will get better results with a judge. What is written is what is, and they have the discretion. I don't like it, but the scheme must be remedied a lot further up than a politically appointed board as a bandage that's gonna sting when it is ripped off.
Even if Hogan gets re-elected he will not change anything as far as permitting goes. He has already shown he intends to make no significant change to the status quo
so how many average joe $15 hr ditch diggers have received their unrestricted permits with " for all legal purposes" as their g&s have been issued? inquiring minds may want to know.
I'll answer this one. ZERO. Any permit still only issued to the special priviledged only
We are working on this. You don't want us to quit do you?
yes we need to challenge the who scheme, sham, whatever folks want to call it. what we don't agree with is those who want everyone to apply and piss away $500-$1000 only for 95+% to be turned down and lose their money. there are those here who look down on and talk down to those who don't fight the fight their way, f-that.
we need to get more republican in the MGA. central md is the biggest obstacle there so those there need to fight the hardest. its an uphill battle.
and folks getting their permits thru the board are making it no easier for any regular joe. just those who can afford it. like I said its "Maryland fair". and as soon as theres a dem in the state house all this fighting it thru the board will be over and the dozens who pushed the hardest and spent the most money stand the chance of the msp just not renewing their license when it expires.
Maryland politics suck, and its getting worse imo.
While I don't want everyone to apply and fail, that, unfortunately is probably the only way to bring another lawsuit. Unfortunately with all of the "I'm not doing that" we may never see another G&S related lawsuit again.
While I don't want everyone to apply and fail, that, unfortunately is probably the only way to bring another lawsuit. Unfortunately with all of the "I'm not doing that" we may never see another G&S related lawsuit again.