Sine Die 4/10/2017 Legislative Shenanigans Thread

[BeoBill]

Quick refresher follows

1) As an effort to shame the liberals in the GA, Public Service Announcement type videos should be produced explaining how the liberals in Annapolis would rather see law abiding citizens dead rather than giving them "permission" to carry the tools to defend themselves. These videos would then be hosted on the web. Names should be used like Frosh, Miller, Busch, Raskin, Van Hollen ETC.

2) Find pro 2A land owners along major highways that would be willing to host signage with the URL of the webpage along with a message on how these liberals want to see Marylanders dead.

3) Find a suitable pro 2A candidate to challenge Frosh in 2018 for AG.

4) Ask HQL/CCW trainers to voluntarily require voter registration cards when signing up for classes. Democrats are refused service. Same goes for gun sales and service. Same with gun shows, no democrats allowed, voter card required for entry. The idea isn't to deny anyone buying a firearm, but to inconvenience them and force them to change party affiliation, even if it''s just temporary, just like getting an HQL and long waits for CC permits from the state is an inconvenience for us...

5) Protest outside the homes of the more nefarious anti gun libs several times during session...weekends would be perfect and the turnout might be better. And protest in front of their places of employment during the week several times a year..

6) Ask the gun clubs in Md to increase their yearly dues by $5 a member and donate that money to MSI for the HQL suit, Ask trainers to increase their training fees for HQL classes by $2 and ask private ranges open to the public to increase their fees by $2.00 per shooter and do the same with that $$.

 

[MDFF2008]

I wonder if we could convince the guy who had the Anti-Hillary signs on his farm along I-70 to do an Anti-Ronald Young sign.

#4 is a bad idea. There are parts of Maryland where there are no Republican candidates running, or the ones who are running have a -0 chance of winning. Alienating people in those districts could be bad. Instead, why not get the trainers to highlight the Democratic abuses of the 2A. One thing I've noticed, there are a decent number of gun owning Democrats who have no idea how anti-gun the party is.

#5 is a trade off. If you do number 5, you can never complain when liberals do it to conservatives.

 

[Rack&Roll]

Of course, most people know the "score" was 12-0 for last year.

In 2016, that's 12 anti-gun bills put up and all of them defeated. Even the news media repeated the "score" from time to time--most recently when Stoveman was interviewed by WBAL-TV during the Deplorables Tuesday Rally. "12 gun bills were proposed and all went down to defeat", said WBAL.

What's the "score" for the 2017 MGA session? The best calculation is 10-0.....10 anti-gun bills put up and all 10 DEFEATED.

Over two years, we are 22-0 in a state where our gun grabber enemies hold 2/3 of the votes in both the Maryland House and Senate.

AND, while we were stopping all shots on goal, we put Trump into the White House and he put Neil Gorsuch on the US Supreme Court, where many firearm cases are headed.

Where would we have been if we all, collectively, pulled a Muleskinner? Let him go mutter and grumble at the squirrels flitting around his bunker, but that "why bother you fool" BS ain't welcome here.

And don't get me started on this business of posting Plans of Action or Out Of The Box threads, but then the people posting them won't leave the friggin' house. That dog don't hunt.

 

[swinokur]

Well, as a free spech aficionado, his comments aren't prohibited.

It's just that it contributes exactly NOTHING to the cause.

who needs that?

 

[dgapilot]

I think I may have said it in the past, but so much is done in MGA by committee. Committee membership and leadership is based on seniority and party affiliation. I would think the tactic of pulling out all the stops on getting committee leadership changed in those that are most anti 2a would be the way to go. You may never get an R in those districts, but you might unseat a committee chair or vice chair with a freshman D that will be way down the ranks.


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[ShafTed]

I have said this before, but there is great peril in this approach, especially in the House. Vallario is far from our friend, but neither is he our greatest enemy on the Judiciary Committee. The vice chair is a MUCH more virulent gun grabber. My opinion is that we are better off with him right where he is until we can make sure that DuMais is gone. If Vallario goes and she remains to take over the chair, things will be a lot worse.

 

[rockstarr]

Yup, sometimes it's important to put all this stuff out on the table.

Mulestinker doesn't come here to debate "the other side". He engages in a form of littering. It's the same uninformed rant every time--nothing works, nothing amounts to anything, nothing changes, Hogan can't win, (oops, he won), Hogan can't win again...blah blah blah blather.

Me, I'm sick of hearing him REPEATING the same old junk over and over. Dude, we've heard it...we get it--you are in a 3-way with Debbie Downer and Negative Nancy. Your digital trash dumps are unbelievably tiresome and vacuous here in Year 4.

Try the Gardening Forum.

LMAO, no gardening forum needed for me. (if that was meant for me?) I just don't like seeing us all attacking one another because we are all on the same side here.

 

[Biggfoot44]

On point #4, make them change TO Dem registration. This is Maryland, where the Dem Primary is the only real Election. Registering Rep, or Libertarian, or Unaffialated is just disenfranchising yourself.

 

[Rack&Roll]

LMAO, no gardening forum needed for me. (if that was meant for me?) I just don't like seeing us all attacking one another because we are all on the same side here.

No, the crack about "Try the Garden Forum" was certainly not aimed at you or anyone else who wants to debate, plan and execute PRO-2A events.

It was aimed at the member who, like a tiresome broken record, month-after-month, labels you and I as FOOLS for fighting back against infringement. Anyone who actively argues for LAYING DOWN is not "on the same side"

I say we should CELEBRATE the successful cuckblock score of 10-0 against the gun haters with a Patriot Hangout real soon. Anyone have suggestions?

 

[Jaybeez]

The PBJ bill wasnt defeated.

 

[Stoveman]

The PBJ bill wasnt defeated.

I wouldn't necessarily call that an anti gun bill.

 

[Jaybeez]

I wouldn't necessarily call that an anti gun bill.

It creates prohibited persons without a conviction

 

[Stoveman]

It creates prohibited persons without a conviction

I would call is the Better Lawyer Employment Act of 2017....

 

[Jaybeez]

I would call is the Better Lawyer Employment Act of 2017....

You can say that going forward, but like all the rest of MD's gun possession prohibitors, it will be enforced retroactively.
Passage of this bill makes possibly 1000's of prohibited persons overnight. Many of whom may have been otherwise law abiding in the years or decades since, and they will most likely be unaware that their legal status has changed.

Hopefully these pbj's will be expungable.

 

[Rack&Roll]

When the MD legislature is 2/3 DemocRat, it will always be a House of Horrors.

We can still win in the courts. The recent court victory that killed the Annapolis Taser Ban was in fact a 2A victory in Maryland. There is more to come, stay positive!

 

[esqappellate]

I have said this before, but there is great peril in this approach, especially in the House. Vallario is far from our friend, but neither is he our greatest enemy on the Judiciary Committee. The vice chair is a MUCH more virulent gun grabber. My opinion is that we are better off with him right where he is until we can make sure that DuMais is gone. If Vallario goes and she remains to take over the chair, things will be a lot worse.

All of this true.

 

[Stoveman]

You can say that going forward, but like all the rest of MD's gun possession prohibitors, it will be enforced retroactively.
Passage of this bill makes possibly 1000's of prohibited persons overnight. Many of whom may have been otherwise law abiding in the years or decades since, and they will most likely be unaware that their legal status has changed.

Hopefully these pbj's will be expungable.

Hopefully Hogan will veto it and it withers on the vine next session.

 

[esqappellate]

You can say that going forward, but like all the rest of MD's gun possession prohibitors, it will be enforced retroactively.
Passage of this bill makes possibly 1000's of prohibited persons overnight. Many of whom may have been otherwise law abiding in the years or decades since, and they will most likely be unaware that their legal status has changed.

Hopefully these pbj's will be expungable.

there is a viable legal argument against these retroactive disqualifications under the ex post facto provisions of the MD Constitution. See attached. Not the Federal Constitution (where such a claim would fail), but under the MD Constitution.

 

[Rack&Roll]

there is a viable legal argument against these retroactive disqualifications under the ex post facto provisions of the MD Constitution. See attached. Not the Federal Constitution (where such a claim would fail), but under the MD Constitution.

Thank you, Mark!

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Join us at MSI today and be a part of The Army of the Chesapeake! MSI has a thousand members but there are hundreds of thousands of firearm owners in Maryland who can make a big difference for the cost of one box of ammo.

Between sessions, let's talk up MSI with everyone we can.

 

[Jaybeez]

there is a viable legal argument against these retroactive disqualifications under the ex post facto provisions of the MD Constitution. See attached. Not the Federal Constitution (where such a claim would fail), but under the MD Constitution.

And yet, none of the persons retroactively prohibited under fsa2013 have brought suit. Even though we get about 2-3 per month posting here asking for legal advice.