I'm contemplating moving away from 9mm

[jimbobborg]

At least on the defensive pistol side. Same with the .40 S&W and .45 ACP. I think all three of these calibers will be relegated to competition only use. I know it's not a popular opinion, but seeing how I'm not likely to get into a firefight with large numbers of people while I'm walking near my home, and I'm not allowed to carry anywhere near work, carrying 45+ rounds on me tends to weigh me down. I figure 18 rounds will get me to my truck, which will have one of my AR rifles in it, or my home, which has the rest of my armory.

At this point, it's just a mental exercise, but I'm thinking that I'll be picking up a couple more revolvers and a 1911 in 10mm in the next couple of months.

 

[campns]

just to put this in perspective,

your 18 rounds of 45ACP weigh in at about 13.5 oz without mags, so that would be 2 mags of ammo.

say you have a glock or sig that holds 17 rounds of 9mm which would weigh in at .42 oz per round you would be able to carry 32 rounds of ammo with the same weight or nearly two full mags of 45 ACP.

having a full mag and one in the pipe and a backup IMHO is more than enough to get you to a safe place, you just have to place your shots well.

Revolvers are great but as a carry piece your round count becomes even more critical, and reloading under stress is even more of an issue.

With my carry 9mm I run ARX rounds, which give me an advantage of lighter weight and maximum damage, I understand your thought process; however, you have to factor in the whole picture. besides if your really thinking of 18 is enough to get you to safety a full size 9mm with 1+17 is more than sufficient and will still weigh less than a fully loaded 1911.....


.380
Rounds per pound: 47.06
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 2.13

9mm Luger
Hornady 115gr JHP/XTP
Rounds per pound: 38.10
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 2.63

.38 Special
Rounds per pound: 34.78
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 2.88

.357Mag.
Remington UMC 125gr SJHP
Rounds per pound: 30.77
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 3.25

.357Mag.
Handload 158gr JHP
Rounds per pound: 28.07
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 3.56

40S&W
Rounds per pound: 28.07
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 3.56

.44magnum
200gr Hornady XTP HP
Rounds per pound: 22
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 4.57

.44magnum
240gr LSWC Bullet
Rounds per pound: 19.7
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 5.07

.45ACP
230gr Winchester Ball
Rounds per pound: 21.33
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 4.69

 

[Minuteman]

At least on the defensive pistol side. Same with the .40 S&W and .45 ACP. I think all three of these calibers will be relegated to competition only use. I know it's not a popular opinion, but seeing how I'm not likely to get into a firefight with large numbers of people while I'm walking near my home, and I'm not allowed to carry anywhere near work, carrying 45+ rounds on me tends to weigh me down. I figure 18 rounds will get me to my truck, which will have one of my AR rifles in it, or my home, which has the rest of my armory.

At this point, it's just a mental exercise, but I'm thinking that I'll be picking up a couple more revolvers and a 1911 in 10mm in the next couple of months.

Whoa.

Didn't expect that from you. Much respect though, lets discuss a bit.

So is your main concern lack of 'fire-power' (10mm is at the upper end of the spectrum), weight (most big-bore revolvers and all 10mm pistols I know are HeAvY), or inability to carry (legally) many places? I assume you don't compete (IDPA, etc), so you don't have to worry about all the trappings of those rules and competitive idiosyncrasies (power-factor, limited gear, etc).

Capacity of a handgun is in my top 10 priorities, somewhere near the bottom, as long as it's not a 2 shot derringer, and no need to be a 20+ mag either. If you want both, light weight and high capacity, you won't find a better gun than the PMR-30 or the FN5.7. In the revolver world the Ruger LCR is top of the heap for lightweight and good quality in my book.

I'm very interested in 10mm too, but more as a novelty, not for a carry gun, I'm concerned about over penetration. I like to train in the caliber I carry, so any exotics or expensive rounds are out of the question for me; hence why I stuck with 9mm.

 

[trickg]

I think that this thread really needs some input from Gecko45.

 

[jimbobborg]

Whoa.

Didn't expect that from you. Much respect though, lets discuss a bit.

So is your main concern lack of 'fire-power' (10mm is at the upper end of the spectrum), weight (most big-bore revolvers and all 10mm pistols I know are HeAvY), or inability to carry (legally) many places? I assume you don't compete (IDPA, etc), so you don't have to worry about all the trappings of those rules and competitive idiosyncrasies (power-factor, limited gear, etc).

Power to weight ratio is why I'm looking at moving to a 10mm 1911 and a snubbie .357. I have a carry permit from the Commonwealth, so I can carry up to the DC and Maryland state lines I do compete, which is why the shorter calibers are going to be relegated to competitions only. I have 1500 rounds of 10mm and 1200 rounds of .38 Special and 700 rounds of .357 Magnum. I'm also a reloader.

Capacity of a handgun is in my top 10 priorities, somewhere near the bottom, as long as it's not a 2 shot derringer, and no need to be a 20+ mag either. If you want both, light weight and high capacity, you won't find a better gun than the PMR-30 or the FN5.7. In the revolver world the Ruger LCR is top of the heap for lightweight and good quality in my book.

I've been carrying a Colt Cobra since I got it on Monday. Even with six rounds of +P 125gr JHPs, it's lighter than the 9mm subcompact I've been carrying. Two speedloaders of the same ammunition weigh about the same as the one extra mag of the 9mm. Short of a Walking Dead scenario, I've got enough to get to my vehicle with what's in the revolver and the two speed loaders. Don't get me wrong, more capacity is usually better, but I don't want to carry the extra weight.

I'm very interested in 10mm too, but more as a novelty, not for a carry gun, I'm concerned about over penetration. I like to train in the caliber I carry, so any exotics or expensive rounds are out of the question for me; hence why I stuck with 9mm.

I've owned and shot 10mm since 1990, I have brass and ammunition and factory rounds. I like the 180 and 200 gr loads I have and now that Sig is entering the mix, I've got more choices for ammunition now than has been since the early 90s.

I really should have mentioned earlier, due to the internal blood filter I have in my abdomen, it's very painful for me to sit with my belt cinched enough to hold a full sized pistol up and be able to sit down while driving. Assuming I can get another 10mm 1911 soon, I'll be carrying that in a shoulder holster with one spare mag when it gets colder.

 

[kohburn]

for this mental exercise I would start by the thought of ammunition being regulated for competition purposes only... if such a thing were to happen how do you think the legislation would make it happen. would it specify non-rimmed ammunition, would it be based on caliber (seems most likely), or perhaps muzzle energy? seems unlikely that they would spell out specifically 9mm, 40cal and 45acp and leave others alone.

neither of those cases would leave 10mm as an option. if it left rimmed ammunition as an option it would open up a market for more semi-auto pistols that fired rimmed ammo like the 357mag 1911.

if we assume that rimmed ammo was cool, then a revolver and short rifle like a lever gun that used the same ammunition could be nice.

 

[Minuteman]

Good points Jim, I see nothing I can add too, or disagree with.

I've shot LCR in both .357 and 9mm, and they are both very snappy; and 9mm is significantly cheaper.

 

[outrider58]

Any chance for a .38 Supre?

 

[jimbobborg]

Any chance for a .38 Supre?

No, I don't have reloading dies for that one

I'm on the hunt for another revolver, but there's only one company currently making a 6-shot snubbie in .357. The rest are either 5-shot (Ruger, S&W), or are .38 Special (RIA). For some reason, I found it harder to use speed loaders with a 5-round versus a 6-round revolver.

 

[travistheone]

bye


send me your 9

 

[K31]

The FBI says 9mm is the best round and the FBI's reputation for being honest, forthright and unbiased is unequaled.

 

[travistheone]

The FBI says 9mm is the best round and the FBI's reputation for being honest, forthright and unbiased is unequaled.

lol. just when I was becoming immune to your attempts at humor.

that's hilarious.

 

[jimbobborg]

In case anyone was looking, Midway has Hornady ammunition on sale, 25 rounds for less than $23. Includes Critical Duty and Critical Defense ammunition.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

If the interest is in 10mm, why not a GLOCK 20?

Certainly going to be an interesting thread.

 

[jimbobborg]

If the interest is in 10mm, why not a GLOCK 20?

Certainly going to be an interesting thread.

My nuclear loads wouldn't work with the stock Glock barrel, as they are lead and are Norma pressure rounds. They worked great in my Kimber 1911.

 

[MikeTF]

At least on the defensive pistol side. Same with the .40 S&W and .45 ACP. I think all three of these calibers will be relegated to competition only use. I know it's not a popular opinion, but seeing how I'm not likely to get into a firefight with large numbers of people while I'm walking near my home, and I'm not allowed to carry anywhere near work, carrying 45+ rounds on me tends to weigh me down. I figure 18 rounds will get me to my truck, which will have one of my AR rifles in it, or my home, which has the rest of my armory.

At this point, it's just a mental exercise, but I'm thinking that I'll be picking up a couple more revolvers and a 1911 in 10mm in the next couple of months.

This is very interesting. My BIL concealed carries a 10mm 1911 style pistol. I carry 14 rounds 9mm (20 oz for loaded pistol and spare loaded mag). My wife carries seven (7) rounds of 380 (12 oz loaded). We have additional rounds stored in every car.

If you do it, I'm interested in knowing how it goes.

 

[outrider58]

The FBI says 9mm is the best round and the FBI's reputation for being honest, forthright and unbiased is unequaled by any other unlawful institution.

FIFY.

 

[trickg]

All of this is a moot point if you aren't properly protected - have you thought about duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of your back where the heart and vital organs are located? They should be able to withstand multiple hits from a .308, or even a single hit from a .338 Lapua. You might also want to think about putting a couple of ceramic plates in a briefcase or something to shield your head on the way to your truck.

 

[pwoolford]

All of this is a moot point if you aren't properly protected - have you thought about duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of your back where the heart and vital organs are located - they should be able to withstand multiple hits from a .308, or even a single hit from a .338 Lapua. You might also want to think about putting a couple of ceramic plates in a briefcase or something to shield your head on the way to your truck.

 

[jimbobborg]

All of this is a moot point if you aren't properly protected - have you thought about duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of your back where the heart and vital organs are located - they should be able to withstand multiple hits from a .308, or even a single hit from a .338 Lapua. You might also want to think about putting a couple of ceramic plates in a briefcase or something to shield your head on the way to your truck.

If things have gone so far downhill that I have to worry about getting hit multiple times with a .308 or get sniped with a .338, I'm going to be concealed carrying an AR pistol. That's when it makes sense to carry 45+ rounds of ammunition on you. But at that point, the only reason I'd be leaving my home is to get supplies.