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[dblas]

Depends on how it's done. If people are letting troopers in, then it's most likely a consent situation. They can even tell you that they can get a warrant, provided the probable cause exists.

As far as spot checking for regulated firearms, they're required to be registered in Maryland, so they purportedly know what address the guns, or at least the purchaser on the 77r, should be.

There was absolutely no requirement to register regulated firearms until the FSA2013, which now requires new residents to register them within 90 day of the intent to become a resident.

I'm sure there are quite a few residents that have regulated firearms that MSP has absolutely no clue about.

 

[Art3]

I would think a little compliance would go a long way. I would ask the officer to wait by the front door while I retrieve said firearm. "There it is, have a nice day." I don't see why they would be entitled to a full walk through of your home.

That would seem ok in theory...but it means you are approaching an officer with a firearm in your hands...and he knows that you'll have a gun the next time he sees you. Now, my firearm would be cased and partially disassembled when I came back to the door, but I dont know if everyone would do that. It just seems like it sets up a very tense situation...one that could go south in a heartbeat or fumble fingers in which the suspect...(I mean subject...no, I think I mean "citizen," I just can't get that word out in this situation)...can only lose.

Also, what happens if the perp--no! Citizen...citizen is what I'm trying to say...why is it so hard? What if he takes too long to come back to the door? Do the officers just wait patiently until their shift is over and try again tomorrow?

 

[d33rhunt3r]

If you want to really get the point across, and don't mind ending up on another list, tell them "Kommandant wir verstecken sich keine juden"

 

[Art3]

'No officer, you may not enter my property without a warrant. Have a nice day.' (shut the door)

I've read this sentiment on here regarding vehicles on public roads and never thought I'd be "that guy." My home is another matter entirely.

Hopefully I'd have the wherewithal to be a little more diplomatic with something like, "I think it would be easier for both of us if you got the warrant first"

 

[Threeband]

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As far as spot checking for regulated firearms, they're required to be registered in Maryland, so they purportedly know what address the guns, or at least the purchaser on the 77r, should be.

No, they are not required to be registered.

Only new residents, post 10/1/13 are required to register handguns and grandfathered banned long guns.

Otherwise, the only thing that is "registered" is the TRANSFER of regulated firearms. It is the TRANSFER that is on record, and those records are full of inaccuracies. Every time a handgun is resold or transferred on a 77r, the new transfer is recorded, but no change is made to the old record. Thus the same handgun WILL be in the database multiple times, with multiple owners.

I have bought several handguns from MDS members. Those are listed under my name, but they are still in the database as belonging to the guys who sold them to me, because the database is never revised or updated.

That's because it is NOT a proper registry, it is a record of transfers.

Meanwhile, non-prohibited persons may possess handguns and now-banned long guns which are not in the database of transfers at all, and that posession is perfectly legal because the guns themselves are not required to be registered. Only new residents, post 10/1/13 are required to register handguns and grandfathered banned long guns.

There are several ways a person could have acquired a handgun without it being transfered on a 77r.
1) It could have been owned before the 77r process was introduced 50 years or so ago.
2) It could have been legally purchased face-to-face before 10/1/96. Before that date handguns could be legally transfered in private sales with no paperwork requirement.
3) It could have been purchased in another state, by someone who later moved to Maryland. New residents were not required to "register" such handguns before 10/1/13.
4) It could have been imported in interstate commerce under federal regulations by a holder of a Federal Firearms License. Such imports are federally regulated, not by the state.

It is NOT the gun which is "registered". It is the Form 77r.

 

[Threeband]

Yeah... OK...

The writer IMO was just looking for attention.

He was probably an On-Call Operator with the Special Air Recon Seals. As you know, they are required to maintain extensive arsenals of full auto weapons, demolition gear, and corn chips at all times, especially in the shower and on the sofa. Of course his CQB gear would be stored per Federal Guidelines.

 

[Blacksmith101]

He was probably an On-Call Operator with the Special Air Recon Seals. As you know, they are required to maintain extensive arsenals of full auto weapons, demolition gear, and corn chips at all times, especially in the shower and on the sofa. Of course his CQB gear would be stored per Federal Guidelines.

In his Mothers basement!

 

[Blacksmith101]

Another reason to insist on a warrant. The warrant must specify what they are looking for so no fishing expeditions.

Officer just why were you looking for an AR 15 in a one cubic foot safe or a shoe box?

 

[ComeGet]

Reminds me of the "health and welfare" inspections in the barracks when I was in the Army.

I had no 4A rights in those instances.

I do now.

I intend to use them.

 

[kookymonstir]

Another reason to insist on a warrant. The warrant must specify what they are looking for so no fishing expeditions.

Officer just why were you looking for an AR 15 in a one cubic foot safe or a shoe box?

Agreed, I was advised years ago by my father who is a retired cop. Be polite, but don't ever let the police into your house without a warrant. Make them do their job. If they ask to enter your house or to inspect your vehicle, just say something like "I'd prefer you didn't without a warrant." If they push past you, it's an illegal search unless you have the items in question in plain sight. I'm no legal expert but this sounds logical to me.

 

[Indiana Jones]

MSP has indeed done spot checks on regulated firearms at people's homes in the past.

Deplorable, unethical, probably unconstitutional. I had no idea they did that.

 

[John from MD]

I would think a little compliance would go a long way. I would ask the officer to wait by the front door while I retrieve said firearm. "There it is, have a nice day." I don't see why they would be entitled to a full walk through of your home.

Ahh, you may want to think about this. The officer does not know you and you are going to bring an AR to the front door?

I doubt any experienced officer would allow you to do that.

John

 

[Klunatic]

Ahh, you may want to think about this. The officer does not know you and you are going to bring an AR to the front door?

I doubt any experienced officer would allow you to do that.

John

Yeah, any LEO seeing you coming back to the door with an AR in hand will probably show you his gun first. Not a good idea.

 

[whistlersmother]

Why even answer the door?

 

[beretta_maven]

If an officer comes to my door asking to see my firearms, he can kiss my you-know-what. I'm not letting him in, I'm not going to voluntarily go get any of my guns, and I'm giving him no compliance regarding this issue. And even if I chose to comply and brought any of my ARs out after telling him I was doing so, well, they are on my property and if they don't like that, then they can simply get off my property. No warrant, no compliance.

I feel the same way regarding automobile searches - no search without a warrant or probable cause, and they better be able to prove probable cause. And no, I have nothing to hide, I just don't give up my rights freely.

 

[fabsroman]

Curious about this as well.. I have never seen any guidelines, other than if children were in the house, obviously..

Maryland has a law on the books when children of a certain age are in the house. No federal guidelines that I know about at all as far as storage goes, but there is the Maryland law.

 

[good guy 176]

I would think a little compliance would go a long way. I would ask the officer to wait by the front door while I retrieve said firearm. "There it is, have a nice day." I don't see why they would be entitled to a full walk through of your home.

Two young women from ATF showed up at my residence door about 11 years ago and started asking me questions, and that happened after I'd used my FFL03 (collectors license) only one time. I never did determine why they were here.

I did not admit them, they did not look at the firearm I'd purchased nor did they ask to see any paperwork.

They filed a written report and I still have a copy of it. I have never ever heard of anyone undergoing such a visit. It was likely a training event for a new agent.

I was perturbed by that visit and in 2011 I let my -03 license expire.

Lew--Ranger63

 

[MikeTF]

Maryland has a law on the books when children of a certain age are in the house. No federal guidelines that I know about at all as far as storage goes, but there is the Maryland law.

If the children take a hunter safety course, it alters the storage requirements for firearms. When I lived in MD, I had my daughter take the course so that she could go hunting with us. The lifted restrictions were a bonus.

 

[Applehd]

I just want to know what 'riffles' is/are... and does cosmoline cure it/them?

 

[Raineman]

Okay, I'm ignorant. What is a "derp"?