Is a bull barrel ar-15 an HBAR?

[iH8DemLibz]

Does the barrel have to say HBAR or the lower?

It does not have to be stamped HEAVY.

Has to be described and sold as heavy.

 

[Kagetsu]

The bull barrel is something I haven't fully grasped conceptually. I thought they were only target pistol barrels with a large front sight.

[Now just opinion.] The reason the Hbar was let through was so it didn't totally cut the sales of the corporations with lobbyist. If it can be shown as a "sport" rifle, in this case a competition target rifle rather than an anti-government redneck militia paramilitary crazies gun, it would be acceptible. looking at the "spirit" of the law. Like the Walther PPKs is allowed to be imported. [/opinion]

 

[robmints]

"Colt-Colt AR-15, CAR-15, and all imitations except Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR rifle, Banned, Enumerated in Statue, 10/1/2013"

Did Colt make a Bull Barrel AR-15? If so, it may be banned. If not, I would think it is not. It is not a copycat. Every copycat banned item on the list has a barrel less than .75.

 

[Boom Boom]

Every copycat banned item on the list has a barrel less than .75.

More to the point, cite a federal or MD law that defines HBAR, in terms of thickness or anything else.

 

[Helpinghand]

its okay if you like carrying a maul is my thought.

 

[Ranchero50]

Wow, wonder how much lead you have to fill the butt stock with so it feels balanced?

 

[lee2]

Wow, wonder how much lead you have to fill the butt stock with so it feels balanced?

assault weapon????? really???

 

[RoadDawg]

The bull barrel is something I haven't fully grasped conceptually. I thought they were only target pistol barrels with a large front sight.

[Now just opinion.] The reason the Hbar was let through was so it didn't totally cut the sales of the corporations with lobbyist. If it can be shown as a "sport" rifle, in this case a competition target rifle rather than an anti-government redneck militia paramilitary crazies gun, it would be acceptible. looking at the "spirit" of the law. Like the Walther PPKs is allowed to be imported. [/opinion]

I see that a lot when the subject comes up. But having been around when the original ban was placed on the AR-15, and having talked to more than a few who were here then... AIUI, The reason that the Maryland Legislature allowed the HBAR was due to a request from the military membership who held several competitions in the state at the time. They wanted assurance that their folks who traveled into Maryland to compete with Colt Target Match HBAR Rifles, would not be risking arrest if they transported those rifles into the state. Thus the Colt HBAR was specifically exempted from the AWB in this state.

That exemption was transfer ala "boiler plate" into the PSA 2013, just like the ban on anything made by and branded "Bushmaster".

Now I could have been given bad information... But I don't believe so.

 

[Pinecone]

The described or stamped HBAR is not in the law. It is how MSP is interpreting the law.

So, if you buy a pencil barrel stamped HBAR, there is no guarantee that you will not end up in court.

OTOH, if the barrel profile is larger in all areas than a Colt HBAR or is described as a target barrel (remember the exclusion of the HBAR MATCH was due to sporting use), if you end up in court, it will probably a case to set precedence and force MSP to come with a real legal definition.

 

[kalister1]

i sent an email to mdsp lc division for clarification. we'll see if they reply.

So when the MDSP comes back and says "ONLY COLT HBAR" we are screwed. Can we PLEASE write more letters asking for verification of vague laws?

 

[outrider58]

The described or stamped HBAR is not in the law. It is how MSP is interpreting the law.

So, if you buy a pencil barrel stamped HBAR, there is no guarantee that you will not end up in court.

OTOH, if the barrel profile is larger in all areas than a Colt HBAR or is described as a target barrel (remember the exclusion of the HBAR MATCH was due to sporting use), if you end up in court, it will probably a case to set precedence and force MSP to come with a real legal definition.

I hereby volunteer lee2 for this task!

 

[outrider58]

Does the barrel have to say HBAR or the lower?

The barrel or official manufacturer's description.

 

[Boom Boom]

The barrel or official manufacturer's description.

That's the irony of MSP's written guidance. Any barrel stamped or advertised by a manufacturer as HBAR is good to go, regardless of barrel thickness or cutouts.

 

[outrider58]

Yup

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[Sharpeneddark]

Does the barrel have to say HBAR or the lower?

Just the barrel or the documentation (IE sales receipt, webpage description, etc) have to have "Heavy" or "HBAR" written on it. Some barrel manufacturers will not stamp HBAR into their barrels, but it will say HBAR on the documentation. Others will flute the barrel and that's understood as being a "HBAR", but YMMV with fluted barrels.

 

[mac1_131]

Does the barrel have to say HBAR or the lower?

Neither

 

[RoadDawg]

So when the MDSP comes back and says "ONLY COLT HBAR" we are screwed. Can we PLEASE write more letters asking for verification of vague laws?

Why would we do that? Currently we have an open ended description in written policy. It states that any barrel marked or advertised by the manufacturer as a Heavy BARrel is legal for sale. Forcing the state into a corner and demanding that they specify any precise technical description, will not end well for us. We will end up relegated to ONE single described barrel specification. And that will only limit our options to an extremely small list of manufacturing companies who make that exact barrel. In fact... the current "vagueness" in the law is the ONLY reason we are not limited to one single AR-15. The only one specifically designated in the law is the Colt HBAR target rifle.

Be very careful when demanding specifics in the law. You could end up losing far more freedom than you could ever hope to gain.

That's the irony of MSP's written guidance. Any barrel stamped or advertised by a manufacturer as HBAR is good to go, regardless of barrel thickness or cutouts.

Exactly

 

[iH8DemLibz]

That's the irony of MSP's written guidance. Any barrel stamped or advertised by a manufacturer as HBAR is good to go, regardless of barrel thickness or cutouts.

Maybe the goal of GA is to feign exasperation, throw their hands in the air, claim HBAR barrel identification is too difficult, and ban the AR-15 outright.

 

[kalister1]

Why would we do that? Currently we have an open ended description in written policy. It states that any barrel marked or advertised by the manufacturer as a Heavy BARrel is legal for sale. Forcing the state into a corner and demanding that they specify any precise technical description, will not end well for us. We will end up relegated to ONE single described barrel specification. And that will only limit our options to an extremely small list of manufacturing companies who make that exact barrel. In fact... the current "vagueness" in the law is the ONLY reason we are not limited to one single AR-15. The only one specifically designated in the law is the Colt HBAR target rifle.

Be very careful when demanding specifics in the law. You could end up losing far more freedom than you could ever hope to gain.


Exactly

This is called Sarcasm. Read through this thread and see who wrote to the MSPD. OR, did I miss your Exactly?

 

[RoadDawg]

This is called Sarcasm. Read through this thread and see who wrote to the MSPD. OR, did I miss your Exactly?

Sarcasm is fine... But not everyone who reads this forum is aware of your intention in the matter. Many would do exactly as you sarcastically requested. Now, they may know why they should not.

And it may help to use the "" emoji for such posts...