CypherPunk
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- Apr 6, 2012
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Like Jeff Foxworthy once said "answer in simple yes or no answer's till you know what your being accused of"
Is this a joke?
Like Jeff Foxworthy once said "answer in simple yes or no answer's till you know what your being accused of"
It is very eye opening. I will remember it forever.
I'll answer you with two questions:
1.If you had some concerns based on the situation that you may be outside the scope of your permit why would the police officer even be aware that you were carrying?
2. Since it is now a crime to carry outside the scope of your permit the burden is on the State in a prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were outside the scope of your permit. Why make it any easier for them under any circumstance?
i can't figure out why people ask these questions.
So that makes it fact? Nope, sorry, incorrect.
Actually he is correct. Any Police Officer in the state of Maryland with access to METERS can log in to what is called the Maryland Criminal Justice Dashboard. Included in Dashboard is a portal known as MSP Guns. If you have a registered firearm in the state of Maryland I can enter your information and pull up a list of every firearm you have registered in the state. The portal doesn't tell me whether or not you have a license to carry firearms merely whether you have firearms registered in your name and what they are along with their serial number.
Be advised, however, that a standard check of one's Maryland vehicle registration or driver's license does not bring up whether or not one owns registered firearms, at least not yet. An MSP Guns query must be done separately by the Officer, Deputy or Trooper. There are some states (Tennessee is one of them and there are others) where if you have a CCW it is included in the return on your driver's license so if I run an out of state license through NCIC sometimes there will be a line saying "concealed weapons" or something similar. The exact verbiage varies between states.
BravoI dunno I think the OP like myself just likes to discuss topics that float through his mind. They hold no real world value or consequences, it is just a topic of discussion. A "WHAT IF" if you will.
Relax a bit. Its just a casual forum for casual discussion. Sometimes there are serious topics in here but for the most part this website is about provoking thought, not pursuing life altering advice. Or atleast I hope to god in times of crisis no one turns to these forums for sound legal advice or if they do i hope they follow the advice to contact an attorney!
I post what comes to mind, you post what you think and we run our finger around the ideas. I learn alot from other people who have opposing viewpoints. I think many on this forum see every question as a competition and get so hellbent on being right or "more concise" with their answer that they become very critical almost to the point of being cynical. Relax. Enjoy the topics and if you think the poster is an idiot hit the back button and go to the next thread.
Actually he is correct. Any Police Officer in the state of Maryland with access to METERS can log in to what is called the Maryland Criminal Justice Dashboard. Included in Dashboard is a portal known as MSP Guns. If you have a registered firearm in the state of Maryland I can enter your information and pull up a list of every firearm you have registered in the state. The portal doesn't tell me whether or not you have a license to carry firearms merely whether you have firearms registered in your name and what they are along with their serial number.
Be advised, however, that a standard check of one's Maryland vehicle registration or driver's license does not bring up whether or not one owns registered firearms, at least not yet. An MSP Guns query must be done separately by the Officer, Deputy or Trooper. There are some states (Tennessee is one of them and there are others) where if you have a CCW it is included in the return on your driver's license so if I run an out of state license through NCIC sometimes there will be a line saying "concealed weapons" or something similar. The exact verbiage varies between states.
Thank you for posting!!
This is a specific answer to the specific question I asked ("I guess I'm wondering when the investigation makes the turns to evidence that can be used against you?"). So what I say can be used against me before I'm read me my Miranda rights? Please don't take that as I am putting words in your mouth.
As far as LEO knowing if I have a CCW, I read on that thread where the (IIRC) guy from Florida was pulled over around the Baltimore Tunnel and the LEO knew the person had a CCW when he ran the name or tag. True or not, I have no clue but sounds like it can be found out in a jiffy if the LEO wanted to know.
Thank you for posting!!
This is a specific answer to the specific question I asked ("I guess I'm wondering when the investigation makes the turns to evidence that can be used against you?"). So what I say can be used against me before I'm read me my Miranda rights? Please don't take that as I am putting words in your mouth.
As far as LEO knowing if I have a CCW, I read on that thread where the (IIRC) guy from Florida was pulled over around the Baltimore Tunnel and the LEO knew the person had a CCW when he ran the name or tag. True or not, I have no clue but sounds like it can be found out in a jiffy if the LEO wanted to know.
Sage advice: Don't ever think that you can talk your way out of getting arrested, much less talk your way out of a conviction. Quite likely, the reverse will be true. "Officer, before I respond to your questions, I would like an opportunity to consult with legal counsel." It should be your Mantra.
Yep. The only evidence the state is going to have regarding what one is doing at the time will most likely come from one's own mouth. So, the less a person speaks, the better under the above scenario.
As already mentioned though, best thing to do is not to break the law. If you are going to the part time job, just put the unloaded gun and ammo in the trunk and avoid the hassle.
Miranda doesn't apply to answering routine questions of an officer.
Miranda as is set fourth in case law has a basic two prong test. The first being custody...were you in custody/detained/free to go/or something that the courts will recognize as custody AND was there an interrogation. These are the basic and simple "terms" for folks to understand. There is obviously much more to it then this and you can do your own research on it.
Deciding not to answer questions outside of a Miranda case is just you not answering questions under your 5th amendment right.
I think blanket statements are stupid. There are plenty of times where talking to the police have helped out the truly innocent. There are plenty of detentions that do not turn into arrests because the innocent folk told the police what they were doing and there story was corroborated. The counter to that is if you clam up and say nothing once "probable (see the root word) cause" is met you are sure to be arrested and carried away pending further investigation.
Do as you please. But blanket statements of how to do with every encounter is at best silly and can cause you distress down the road. Taking advice from keyboard lawyers and key board judges doesn't always play out in real life.
Thank you for posting!!
This is a specific answer to the specific question I asked ("I guess I'm wondering when the investigation makes the turns to evidence that can be used against you?"). So what I say can be used against me before I'm read me my Miranda rights? Please don't take that as I am putting words in your mouth.
As far as LEO knowing if I have a CCW, I read on that thread where the (IIRC) guy from Florida was pulled over around the Baltimore Tunnel and the LEO knew the person had a CCW when he ran the name or tag. True or not, I have no clue but sounds like it can be found out in a jiffy if the LEO wanted to know.
...I think blanket statements are stupid. ...