When to stop talking to the police?

[marylandmark]

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[Name Taken]

Want proper legal advice...call an attorney.

Want a bunch of thought lawyers who 75% of the time is going to give you wrong information since they have no working knowledge of police investigations or criminal defense laws....ask MDS.

 

[Docster]

Want proper legal advice...call an attorney.

Want a bunch of thought lawyers who 75% of the time is going to give you wrong information since they have no working knowledge of police investigations or criminal defense laws....ask MDS.

THIS.

 

[Doctor_M]

That's how you know it didn't happen to Marylandmark... if it had, he is smart enough to shell out for a legal eagle.... but nobody is going to do that for a thought experiment. At least nobody in my income bracket or below. :-)

 

[Seagrave1963]

There are 3 IPs on MDS that offer legal services as their business.

http://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=190

http://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=214

http://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=217

Good Luck

 

[CharlieFoxtrot]

I'll answer you with two questions:
1.If you had some concerns based on the situation that you may be outside the scope of your permit why would the police officer even be aware that you were carrying?
2. Since it is now a crime to carry outside the scope of your permit the burden is on the State in a prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were outside the scope of your permit. Why make it any easier for them under any circumstance?

 

[clandestine]

Want proper legal advice...call an attorney.

Want a bunch of thought lawyers who 75% of the time is going to give you wrong information since they have no working knowledge of police investigations or criminal defense laws....ask MDS.

This.

Oh and don't break the Law. Carrying outside your permit is no longer administrative in nature if you violate the conditions.

 

[Name Taken]

No worries, just thought internet forums were for discussion was all.

It is....but an attorney is going to want you to pay them.

And most police officers here (the ones who haven't left due to the often aggressive and hostile nature certain members have towards the profession) A) Don't post in these threads because they will be told they are wrong B) Aren't going to answer a hypothetical "What if" situation with many different possible outcomes C) Typically wont answer a question as to help someone skirt around a law or possible legal ramifications.


So at the end you get a hodge podge of "know it alls" offering advice that is usually wrong.

 

[clandestine]

It is....but an attorney is going to want you to pay them.

And most police officers here (the ones who haven't left due to the often aggressive and hostile nature certain members have towards the profession) A) Don't post in these threads because they will be told they are wrong B) Aren't going to answer a hypothetical "What if" situation with many different possible outcomes C) Typically wont answer a question as to help someone skirt around a law or possible legal ramifications.


So at the end you get a hodge podge of "know it alls" offering advice that is usually wrong.

2 for 2 Name Taken.

 

[esqappellate]

I'll answer you with two questions:
1.If you had some concerns based on the situation that you may be outside the scope of your permit why would the police officer even be aware that you were carrying?
2. Since it is now a crime to carry outside the scope of your permit the burden is on the State in a prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were outside the scope of your permit. Why make it any easier for them under any circumstance?

Sage advice: Don't ever think that you can talk your way out of getting arrested, much less talk your way out of a conviction. Quite likely, the reverse will be true. "Officer, before I respond to your questions, I would like an opportunity to consult with legal counsel." It should be your Mantra.

 

[Eviljagtech]

Like Jeff Foxworthy once said "answer in simple yes or no answer's till you know what your being accused of"

 

[Blacksmith101]

Say you get in a situation where you've been pulled over, questionably outside if your permit, when do you stop talking to the police?

Example would be if you own a company and can carry to/from/engaged in financial transaction of said company and also had a part time job working for someone else and were heading to that job and therefore not covered under your permit and got pulled over for speeding. The LEO asks what you are doing carrying. Do you clam up then or try to talk your way out of it or ______________ ?

Saying "I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I want my lawyer" seems like you are going to be tied up for a few hours in the jail house and a grand or so to your lawyer over what could have be a 20 minute stop?

Of course one clams up with the words "You have the right to remain..." start coming out but what about before that?

I guess I'm wondering when the investigation makes the turns to evidence that can be used against you?

NO- this hasn't happened to me and of course I wouldn't ever do this, just was a question I had floating in my head.

The above seems to indicate your hypothetical company owner has already violated the law which means it is already time for:

Saying "I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I want my lawyer" seems like you are going to be tied up for a few hours in the jail house and a grand or so to your lawyer over what could have be a 20 minute stop?

"If you can't do the time don't do the crime."

Maryland Shooters does not advise on how to break the law or how to get away with something.

 

[dblas]

1. I read on the internet that the MSP has access to that if they run your information?

So that makes it fact? Nope, sorry, incorrect.

ps- I can handle the heat so don't anyone worry if I'll get butt hurt or not by your response. I only get butt hurt when they call it a bacon cheese burger and only put 2 strips on it, now that should be life without parole if there was ever a crime that fit the time.

BWAHAHAHA

 

[Brooklyn]

Say you get in a situation where you've been pulled over, questionably outside if your permit, when do you stop talking to the police?

Example would be if you own a company and can carry to/from/engaged in financial transaction of said company and also had a part time job working for someone else and were heading to that job and therefore not covered under your permit and got pulled over for speeding. The LEO asks what you are doing carrying. Do you clam up then or try to talk your way out of it or ______________ ?

Saying "I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I want my lawyer" seems like you are going to be tied up for a few hours in the jail house and a grand or so to your lawyer over what could have be a 20 minute stop?

Of course one clams up with the words "You have the right to remain..." start coming out but what about before that?

I guess I'm wondering when the investigation makes the turns to evidence that can be used against you?

NO- this hasn't happened to me and of course I wouldn't ever do this, just was a question I had floating in my head.

I have no idea.. but in all candor sooner or later we will find out.. I don't want a restricted permit even if I could quality -- 2a or no way.

 

[Mr H]

No worries, just thought internet forums were for discussion was all.

They are...

As long as we all understand that we all know it all.



IMO... and it's JMO... Posting hypotheticals on in internet forum is the worst thing you can do.

Opinions (on the interwebz, contrary to reality) are NOT like assholes. Here, some folks have MORE than one, and it is only an overwhelming minority that don't stink.

On this subject? CF and Chad seem to have it covered.

 

[Apd09]

Say you get in a situation where you've been pulled over, questionably outside if your permit, when do you stop talking to the police?



Example would be if you own a company and can carry to/from/engaged in financial transaction of said company and also had a part time job working for someone else and were heading to that job and therefore not covered under your permit and got pulled over for speeding. The LEO asks what you are doing carrying. Do you clam up then or try to talk your way out of it or ______________ ?



Saying "I will fully cooperate with your investigation and I want my lawyer" seems like you are going to be tied up for a few hours in the jail house and a grand or so to your lawyer over what could have be a 20 minute stop?



Of course one clams up with the words "You have the right to remain..." start coming out but what about before that?



I guess I'm wondering when the investigation makes the turns to evidence that can be used against you?



NO- this hasn't happened to me and of course I wouldn't ever do this, just was a question I had floating in my head.

Watch this video, it's 40 minutes long but will answer your question. It's from a lawyer and a police officer.

http://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc


Sent from a galaxy far, far, away....

 

[newq]

Watch this video, it's 40 minutes long but will answer your question. It's from a lawyer and a police officer.

http://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc


Sent from a galaxy far, far, away....

Ha! Thats funny I thought of the exact same video.

 

[Apd09]

Ha! Thats funny I thought of the exact same video.

It should be required viewing for every person.


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[Yellowhand]

Watched and duly noted. Thanks!

 

[newq]

It should be required viewing for every person.


Sent from a galaxy far, far, away....

It is very eye opening. I will remember it forever.