Live Update of Dealers Release Policy

[ianmcall]

this is from an email from my pop. I think the d!(k who yelled at him is the same Ron Jeremy moustache Ahole yelling at folks at the show a few weeks back. The other guy with the tats and others behind the counter seemed nice. Guess you are what you eat. He is a d!(k.

...Problem is I cannot hear well in noisy situations and I did not properly understand him - your brother informed me that is the law that they have to release after 7 days cause the piece is paid for and is your property, and they have no right to withhold your property from you. Being fired with enthusiasm I called him and was treated to a yelling, screaming actually, tirade about he doesn't release cause he would be held liable if I shot someone - I was referred to a Md State Delegate name of ,"Smigiel", your brother gave me his personal cell number and I called him. I related the story to him, at which point he became furious and told me that said gun dealer was full of it, lying to me so I called back and got nowhere. I finally told said dealer I wanted my money back, and I would purchase from someone else at which point he went off the deep end telling me there would be a 15% restocking fee....

Your brother is wrong. The law says a dealer MAY release after 7 days. It is the dealers choice if they wish to do so. Obviously they have chosen not to.

Canceling his purchase now is probably a bad idea. If he bought a banned rifle then he will not longer be able to make a purchase for one since the law went into effect today. Also any handgun purchase from here on out he will need an Handgun Qualification License in order to make that purchase.

If your father made the purchase with a credit card he can look into disputing the charges and getting his refund that way without having to pay the 15% restocking fee.

 

[babalou]

Thanks so much. He purchased an SR45. I am asking him to call them once more to see if they can transfer to an 8 day release place. He really likes the pistol. He had a 1911 in Korea, plus the Mosin he said the NK guy willingly gave him .

 

[ianmcall]

Thanks so much. He purchased an SR45. I am asking him to call them once more to see if they can transfer to an 8 day release place. He really likes the pistol. He had a 1911 in Korea, plus the Mosin he said the NK guy willingly gave him .

Finding a dealer that will accept the transfer may be challenging. Also they will most likely charge him a transfer fee to ship it out and the new dealer will charge a transfer fee for receiving it.

 

[babalou]

yeah, I know. Get you coming and going. To be honest, if he has to wait then so be it. I read other waiting since earlier this year in purgatory. Guess he wants it bad. Since he got it at the howard show and what the MSP sia last week, he may not have to go through all that HQL stuff?

My big thing is to not treat customers like sh!+. If I did that I would be out of a job. Also, small community and word gets around, you know? Thanks again for all the timely replies.

 

[ianmcall]

yeah, I know. Get you coming and going. To be honest, if he has to wait then so be it. I read other waiting since earlier this year in purgatory. Guess he wants it bad. Since he got it at the howard show and what the MSP sia last week, he may not have to go through all that HQL stuff?

My big thing is to not treat customers like sh!+. If I did that I would be out of a job. Also, small community and word gets around, you know? Thanks again for all the timely replies.

Well if he transfers to a new dealer then he'll be filling out a new 77R post October 1st... I have a hunch he will need an HQL in order to do so legally.

 

[hkbob]

Atlantic in Rockville isn't releasing anything pending the outcome of discussions with LE about the differing opinons between MSP and the AG.

 

[ianmcall]

Atlantic in Rockville isn't releasing anything pending the outcome of discussions with LE about the differing opinons between MSP and the AG.

I guess I'm still useful then.

 

[hkbob]

I think anyone with a firearm held up due to this squabble between the MSP and the AG should contact their representative. If they can't (or won't) get into it, I wonder if an argument can be made along 4th amendment lines (denying transfer of a lawfully purchased item accounts to illegal seizure in my book).

 

[TLL]

Atlantic in Rockville isn't releasing anything pending the outcome of discussions with LE about the differing opinons between MSP and the AG.

I received a call from my dealer saying the meeting was held with the Dealers Assoc, Attys, MSP, AG and others. They decided MSP screwed up and people making a purchase Oct 25th based on MSP letter of non-enforcement can pick up their handguns without HQL. Their is no paper trail. I would like conformation from Dealers Assoc rep or some other person at the meeting. Dealers releasing have most to lose and they are releasing, sooo..... Any Officials care to comment?

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

I received a call from my dealer saying the meeting was held with the Dealers Assoc, Attys, MSP, AG and others. They decided MSP screwed up and people making a purchase Oct 25th based on MSP letter of non-enforcement can pick up their handguns without HQL. Their is no paper trail. I would like conformation from Dealers Assoc rep or some other person at the meeting. Dealers releasing have most to lose and they are releasing, sooo..... Any Officials care to comment?

What is October 25th? Get out of HQL jail free day?

 

[TLL]

Did you read the post? This was a serious question. Since you have close ties to the dealers assoc and others, I suppose i'll take that as a serious answer...lol

 

[Mr H]

First I've heard of Oct 25 in any of this...

Some context would be nice.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Did you read the post? This was a serious question. Since you have close ties to the dealers assoc and others, I suppose i'll take that as a serious answer...lol

Of course i read the post, a couple of times actually... Maybe you could elaborate as to why October 25th is a no HQL needed date.

Maybe you meant to say "... BEFORE October 25th..."?

(and yes, actually, I do have a close friendship with one of the board members of MLFDA)

 

[TLL]

ok ,I will elaborate. Sept 25 I put a deposit and paper work on a handgun on the word from MSP letter about their non-enforcement of 281 HQL pickup post Oct 1.
I beg your pardons as I typed Oct 25 instead of Sept 25 in my OP. I just realized my mistake.
To restart.. I placed deposit and paper work Sept 25 on a handgun as per MSP non-enforcement of post Oct 1 without HQL. That evening or next I see the warning that "the law is the law". I had been trying to decide about getting the HQL. I spoke with the dealer and he said they were expecting a meeting with Dealers Asso , MSP , AG etc. No problem waiting for me.
I received a call from LGS saying the meeting with AG, MSP, Attys, Dealers Assoc. etc has happened and all agreed MSP made a mistake. Result was I could pickup Handgun without HQL.
I have made contact with a MSI BOD menber. Posted inquires on MDS and a PM to Lou45 as I know he is a Dealer Asso member but only received replys from the MSI BOD member. My LGS says there is not a paper trail for that meeting. I am trying to get confirmation of this meeting and the results.
Again I beg your pardons for my date mistake. The LGS is an IP here and says other LGS have started releasing for people in my position. LGS say its not a problem to refund money if I want.
As an aside I have been a prior member of MSI and am a provisional executive member now. I will be retiring and moving the first of next year anyway. I have been buying all type of guns in Md. since 1972 for what its worth and cant wait to be free again.
Clear as MUD? Tim

 

[Mr H]

Fair enough...

 

[TLL]

Wow that post looks messed up. I indented and paragraphed but it posted as a blob.

 

[TLL]

Of course i read the post, a couple of times actually... Maybe you could elaborate as to why October 25th is a no HQL needed date.

Maybe you meant to say "... BEFORE October 25th..."?

(and yes, actually, I do have a close friendship with one of the board members of MLFDA)

Yes I know you are a friend of Lou45. Maybe you can get the real info on this matter. Thats why I PMed Lou45, as a MLFDA BOD member , I thought he would know of this meeting. As the unnamed MSI BOD member said , the IP LGS has much more to lose so why would he feed me bad info. I want a paper trail or further confirmation. Peace, Tim

 

[hkbob]

Actually sounds like a positive result!

ok ,I will elaborate. Sept 25 I put a deposit and paper work on a handgun on the word from MSP letter about their non-enforcement of 281 HQL pickup post Oct 1.
I beg your pardons as I typed Oct 25 instead of Sept 25 in my OP. I just realized my mistake.
To restart.. I placed deposit and paper work Sept 25 on a handgun as per MSP non-enforcement of post Oct 1 without HQL. That evening or next I see the warning that "the law is the law". I had been trying to decide about getting the HQL. I spoke with the dealer and he said they were expecting a meeting with Dealers Asso , MSP , AG etc. No problem waiting for me.
I received a call from LGS saying the meeting with AG, MSP, Attys, Dealers Assoc. etc has happened and all agreed MSP made a mistake. Result was I could pickup Handgun without HQL.
I have made contact with a MSI BOD menber. Posted inquires on MDS and a PM to Lou45 as I know he is a Dealer Asso member but only received replys from the MSI BOD member. My LGS says there is not a paper trail for that meeting. I am trying to get confirmation of this meeting and the results.
Again I beg your pardons for my date mistake. The LGS is an IP here and says other LGS have started releasing for people in my position. LGS say its not a problem to refund money if I want.
As an aside I have been a prior member of MSI and am a provisional executive member now. I will be retiring and moving the first of next year anyway. I have been buying all type of guns in Md. since 1972 for what its worth and cant wait to be free again.
Clear as MUD? Tim

 

[TLL]

Well, it could be a positive result if its true. If not, its a no brainer to get a refund and move on. I have and can get more handguns C&R. I like the older ones better anyway.

 

[hkbob]

From the MSP FAQ on HQL...

UPDATE: Atlantic Guns is now releasing if paperwork was in prior to 30 Sept (or 1 Oct, not sure which) and if you have had a previous firearm purchase in MD.....

Saw this today....
https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/S...irearms/HandgunQualificationLicense/FAQs.aspx

Q: Will I be required to possess an HQL by October 1, 2013, if I submitted a 77R prior to October 1 and have not yet received approval to retrieve my firearm due to the MSP backlog?

A: The Maryland State Police will not enforce the requirements of the new law with respect to applicants whose applications are pending as of October 1. In light of the number of currently pending applications, resulting from the unprecedented spike in new applications in recent months, it is a fair, reasoned, and appropriate result for those who are waiting for their pending purchase applications to be processed. Persons who submit purchase applications on or after October 1, 2013, unless otherwise
exempted by law, will be required to apply for and obtain a handgun qualification license before attempting to purchase a handgun.