Two generations away from losing 2A

[ZeroCool]

I think the GOP is missing opportunities with young people. Huge ones. A lot of my friends, even my liberal friends, are concerned about taxes. (of course there are the 10% who will pay anything the govt asks) but a lot of them are concerned about taxes, Social security, employment, economic security, areas the Dems struggle in.

But then they hear the GOP start social issue ranting, and they vote Democrat. And these are by no means people like the woman who complained she spent thousands of dollars on birth control. Open the tent more on social issues, get rid of the people who make ignorant comments about rape, and I think you could make inroads with younger people.

Agreed, and I have said this several times on this board.

Republicans are there worst own enemy with social policies. The people that they are catering to about gay marriage and birth control are a minority; they are alienating far more young people with these sorts of talks than they are gaining.

I personally believe that society as a whole is becoming accepting of same sex marriage. I'm not gay, but have gay friends and family members. It may not make me popular here, but I personally have no issues with same sex relationships. I grew up around it and have not seen any negative impact.

Hell, most gays that I know hate most things that liberals stand for but just cant bring themselves to vote Republican because they are more directly impacted by Republican views (anti-gay) than the Democrat views.

Social policy is also much easier for young folks to rally behind (i.e., it's easier for those who are younger to understand and associate their feelings on gay marriage than more complex issues such as debt ceilings and spending and such) meaning that most younger people are more apt to say they are Democrats and stick to that line.

For me (and most on this board, I would imagine), firearms policy is much the same... and why some of us vote Republican/conservative even if we dont agree with everything else they do.

 

[RightNYer]

Agreed, and I have said this several times on this board.

Republicans are there worst own enemy with social policies. The people that they are catering to about gay marriage and birth control are a minority; they are alienating far more young people with these sorts of talks than they are gaining.

I personally believe that society as a whole is becoming accepting of same sex marriage. I'm not gay, but have gay friends and family members. It may not make me popular here, but I personally have no issues with same sex relationships. I grew up around it and have not seen any negative impact.

Hell, most gays that I know hate most things that liberals stand for but just cant bring themselves to vote Republican because they are more directly impacted by Republican views (anti-gay) than the Democrat views.

Social policy is also much easier for young folks to rally behind (i.e., it's easier for those who are younger to understand and associate their feelings on gay marriage than more complex issues such as debt ceilings and spending and such) meaning that most younger people are more apt to say they are Democrats and stick to that line.

For me (and most on this board, I would imagine), firearms policy is much the same... and why some of us vote Republican/conservative even if we dont agree with everything else they do.

I absolutely disagree. Nearly every homosexual I know latches on to every destructive leftist ideal, from gun control, to open borders, to runaway government spending, to "hate speech" laws, to silly pacifism, and so on. I don't think these people will ever be on our side.

 

[smores]

I think you'd be surprised how many people in their 20s are on this board, or go to rallies to support our rights, or even how many who don't go to rallies or frequent this board but still support the 2A.

There is only 1 person in their twenties I know (outside of family) that is not a gun owner.

People are waking up, younger and older. It's about Liberty vs. Tyranny, not Republican vs. Democrat.

The establishment parties can go F themselves.

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[niftyvt]

The establishment parties can go F themselves.

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I agree!

 

[MDFF2008]

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

It's very much like Colon Noir and PJTV. The far left demonizes gays who buck their way, just as they demonize blacks who buck their way.

 

[EL1227]

Keep on topic please ...

Two generations away from losing 2A

Bashing one party or another, one generation over another, or any other pigeon-hole argument to divert attention isn't going to solve this problem.

Brooklyn is right though ...

Stay tuned .. This is going to happen ..

see Project Appleseed for example.

And if you can stand ready to help -- ideas are brewing I can feel it.

Constructive suggestions on how to combat this indoctrination trend are needed and welcome.

 

[DC-W]

I disagree to some extent.

9/11. Call of Duty. Zombies. Democrats.
These four things make new gun owners out of young folks every day.

 

[smokey]

...oops, left my gradebook velcro'd to the wall again....

 

[EL1227]

View attachment 98230

...oops, left my gradebook velcro'd to the wall again....

Subtle Smokey ... REAL SUBTLE.

But I LIKE IT.

 

[smokey]

Two generations away from losing 2A

Bashing one party or another, one generation over another, or any other pigeon-hole argument to divert attention isn't going to solve this problem.

Brooklyn is right though ...



Constructive suggestions on how to combat this indoctrination trend are needed and welcome.

How do you combat a system of indoctrination like the education world? The same way the left did, populate it with your people and change the rules. Education is going to be liberal because liberals are becoming educators. We need more conservatives to grow a brain and fight the battles of the future today. Conservatives are reactionary and at most fight battles of today. Liberals are very bright in their strategy because it is a long-term one. They're preparing now to win battles in the future. Unless conservatives take over education, take over the media, and take over pop culture, they'll lose by attrition.

 

[Benanov]

I absolutely disagree. Nearly every homosexual I know latches on to every destructive leftist ideal, from gun control, to open borders, to runaway government spending, to "hate speech" laws, to silly pacifism, and so on. I don't think these people will ever be on our side.

Sure, you can write some of them off...

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

It's very much like Colon Noir and PJTV. The far left demonizes gays who buck their way, just as they demonize blacks who buck their way.

But I wouldn't NOT welcome these folk - in fact, I'm a bit envious I didn't post about them before you did

I'd say that getting more gay people - who can very *very* concerned about their own safety (and trans people, who have it much harder*) into the general pro-2A movement is a good idea.

I still see a lot of socially-immature anti-gay sentiments on these boards from time to time, and it really irritates me.



* Trans folk tend to be poorer and much more vulnerable to violence. It's an example of the groups of people the cheaper brands like Hi-Point should cater to.

 

[EL1227]

How do you combat a system of indoctrination like the education world? The same way the left did, populate it with your people and change the rules. Education is going to be liberal because liberals are becoming educators. We need more conservatives to grow a brain and fight the battles of the future today. Conservatives are reactionary and at most fight battles of today. Liberals are very bright in their strategy because it is a long-term one. They're preparing now to win battles in the future. Unless conservatives take over education, take over the media, and take over pop culture, they'll lose by attrition.

Excellent point, but you don't neccessarily need educators who are conservative, just some who will stand up to the steady influx of reactionary PC thinking WRT 2A. I know that's a tall order because a paycheck is involved, but just like any other public sector job when you need to decide between $$$ and principle ...

 

[smokey]

Excellent point, but you don't neccessarily need educators who are conservative, just some who will stand up to the steady influx of reactionary PC thinking WRT 2A. I know that's a tall order because a paycheck is involved, but just like any other public sector job when you need to decide between $$$ and principle ...

We need a LOT, basically because as is the people promoted are largely far left and play along with the polyticks. We need enough people at lower levels for their beliefs to be dragged upwards with them when it's time to make education policy...as it is now, here's an example of re-education the bottom tiers are getting from the policy-makers in education...

View attachment EEE at HCPSS - Nov. 5 Infosession.pdf

 

[sixfivesavage]

Even if that is true, you have to ask yourself why the "younger generation" is so concerned with the "right" of a woman to vacuum her baby's brain out and the "right" of a man to screw another man in the butt in the first place?

I wouldn't say that the "younger generation" is so concerned with these things. To mirror what some younger people like myself have said already on here, the stance I myself have and the stance most people I know my age have...we aren't really concerned with it. These things may not be a defined right by the constitution, but ultimately the do not matter that much. Tere are bigger fish to fry here in this country. There is no sense in trying to bail out a boat before you stop the leak. To me, gun control is the liberals version of abortion and gay marrage to conservatives. None of these things are what the majority of Americans care deeply about. Maybe the 10 percent that keeps being thrown about does. I myself am a republican, I'm hard nosed conservative with fiscal issues and most social issues. I align with the tea party because I consider myself to be a pure constitutionalist. When it comes to gays and abortion, I don't care. Mainly because marriage is a religious issue, not a governmental one. Pure and simple, as far as the government should be concerned a contract between two adults is a contract. The gender issues are on a religious and individual level. Abortion I believe in the right to choose, though for certain reasons and within a short time frame. I'm not saying suck the brains out of a kid as a means of undoing an accident. I believe limiting 2A is becoming a dieing issue with most Americans and is causing what seems like death throws in the liberal agenda. Much like abortion and gay marriage is causing in the republican agenda. Until conservatives realize this, they will continue to decline in popularity with a group which could otherwise be pulled our direction easily with tax and other hot button issues. He'll, even the Catholic Church is realizing the ship is sinking and they need to moderate on some issues to gain on others.

 

[RightNYer]

I wouldn't say that the "younger generation" is so concerned with these things. To mirror what some younger people like myself have said already on here, the stance I myself have and the stance most people I know my age have...we aren't really concerned with it. These things may not be a defined right by the constitution, but ultimately the do not matter that much. Tere are bigger fish to fry here in this country. There is no sense in trying to bail out a boat before you stop the leak. To me, gun control is the liberals version of abortion and gay marrage to conservatives. None of these things are what the majority of Americans care deeply about. Maybe the 10 percent that keeps being thrown about does. I myself am a republican, I'm hard nosed conservative with fiscal issues and most social issues. I align with the tea party because I consider myself to be a pure constitutionalist. When it comes to gays and abortion, I don't care. Mainly because marriage is a religious issue, not a governmental one. Pure and simple, as far as the government should be concerned a contract between two adults is a contract. The gender issues are on a religious and individual level. Abortion I believe in the right to choose, though for certain reasons and within a short time frame. I'm not saying suck the brains out of a kid as a means of undoing an accident. I believe limiting 2A is becoming a dieing issue with most Americans and is causing what seems like death throws in the liberal agenda. Much like abortion and gay marriage is causing in the republican agenda. Until conservatives realize this, they will continue to decline in popularity with a group which could otherwise be pulled our direction easily with tax and other hot button issues. He'll, even the Catholic Church is realizing the ship is sinking and they need to moderate on some issues to gain on others.

I don't personally care about either of those myself either. The way I see it, liberals aborting their children is a good thing, and while I don't generally like homosexuals and their culture, I don't really care what they do as long as they aren't forcing us to approve of them (which they most certainly ARE!). But how can you say with a straight face that our generation doesn't care about these that much? Hell, they're the only things most of us do!

 

[Kazimir]

It's really simple. As someone in this generation, we want choices. We want the gov't out of our shit on most if not all issues. We don't want to pay the debts of our ancestors. Pushing any agenda that removes personal preferences will tend to be greatly rejected. If you look at the whole Ron Paul campaign, it had a huge youth following because it was on the principle that the govt would have stayed out. Had it not been for his abortion stance and the MSM publicly eliminating him from the race, I think he had a huge chance of success. Many of the people I talked too who voted for Obama were with him for one of two reasons, right to choose or they didn't have access to healthcare(the lesser chosen option). Some were lost causes but most could have easily be converted.

 

[EL1227]

We need a LOT, basically because as is the people promoted are largely far left and play along with the polyticks. We need enough people at lower levels for their beliefs to be dragged upwards with them when it's time to make education policy...as it is now, here's an example of re-education the bottom tiers are getting from the policy-makers in education...

View attachment 98234

Jebus ...

McDaniel College (n.e. Western MD College) has never been the same since the People's Republic of Maryland sued (and they caved) and cut their ties to the United Methodist Church, while other small colleges in MD with ties to religious groups stood pat and won.

So now they have graduate studies in Marxist Brazilian educator Paulo Freire's (1970) philosophy of social justice teaching and "equity and excellence". ?

Indoctrination ... Indoctrina-A-tion ...

 

[smokey]

Jebus ...

McDaniel College (n.e. Western MD College) has never been the same since the People's Republic of Maryland sued (and they caved) and cut their ties to the United Methodist Church, while other small colleges in MD with ties to religious groups stood pat and won.

So now they have graduate studies in Marxist Brazilian educator Paulo Freire's (1970) philosophy of social justice teaching and "equity and excellence". ?

Indoctrination ... Indoctrina-A-tion ...

not only that, but I got that information in a email from howard county. It's for a cohort to get PD credits. It's being pushed by the county to satisfy our certification requirements.

 

[tall.guy88]

I miss Charlton Heston a lot

 

[ShoreShooter]

Abortion issues are the third rail in conservative politics. There are a lot of conservative Rep voters out there for whom their litmus test is abortion. They are more devoted to that than we are to 2A. They will put high energy toward unseating any candidate of either party who isn't as anti-abortion as they are.

Yet, this is the issue that drives most centric / middle of the road voters into the hands of the Dems.

Dems know this, and so they bait Reps in every election race at every level to come out in favor of pro-life, and love to bring it up in debates. They do this, because every time it happens they gain votes from the center.

Reps win the hearts and minds on fiscal spending and taxes.

Reps win the hearts on defense. On just about every issue except the social issues.

Dems win the welfare votes among the poor, and the center votes on abortion.

That is no secret. That is what Obamacare is all about.