SB281 Real Time Discussion Thread

[JasonB]

Might as well add Degrange and Middleton to the FOR list.

 

[trickg]

I would really like to see a major referendum with the next election and get some of those boobs out of office.

 

[JasonB]

No problem. Spread it and spread it wide and far

Link to final vote here
http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/f...b=subject3&id=SB0281,s-0311&stab=02&ys=2013rs

Voted Yea (For)

Senate President Thomas Miller (Democrat)
Joanne Benson (Democrat)
James Brochin (Democrat)
Joan Conway (Democrat)
Ulysses Currie (Democrat)
Bill Ferguson (Democrat)
Jennie Forehand (Democrat)
Brian Frosh (Democrat) (main proponent)
Robert Garagiola (Democrat)
Lisa Gladden (Democrat)
Verna Jones-Rodwell (Democrat)
Edward Kasemeyer (Democrat)
Delores Kelley (Democrat)
Nancy King (Democrat)
Richard Madaleno Sr. (Democrat)
Roger Manno (Democrat)
Nathanial McFadden (Democrat)
Karen Montgomery (Democrat)
Anthony Muse (Democrat)
Douglas Peters (Democrat)
Paul Pinsky (Democrat)
Catherine Pugh (Democrat)
Victor Ramiriez (Democrat)
Janin Raskin (Democrat)
James Robey (Democrat)
James Rosapepe (Democrat)
Ronald Young (Democrat)
Robert Zirkin (Democrat)

Voted Nea (Against)

John Astle (Democrat)
David Brinkley (Republican)
Richard Colburn (Republican)
James DeGrange (voted to end filibuster-trying to play both sides) (Democrat)
Roy Dyson (Democrat)
George Edwards (Republican
Jospeh Getty (Republican)
Barry Glassman (Republican)
Nancy Jacobs (Republican)
JB Jennings (Republican)
Allan Kittleman (Republican)
Katherine Klausmeier (Democrat)
James Mathias (Democrat)
Thomas Middleton (Democrat)
EJ Pipkin (Republican)
Edward Reilly (Republican)
Christopher Shank (Republican)
Bryan Simonaire (Republican)
Norman Stone Jr (Democrat)

Middleton also voted to end the filibuster.

 

[biermkr]

Middleton also voted to end filibuster

 

[danb]

DON'T COMPLY!!!

i comply with all laws. the long game is getting this struck by the courts and getting the bums thrown out. if its struck by the courts, this battle need not be repeated 47 more times, ever. when crime goes up in MD, and it will, this will come back to haunt every person who voted for it. the best revenge is the ballot box and courts.

 

[Robert]

A good offense would have been a great defense - we did a lot to show them that their constituents don't want these laws. Unfortunately preventing a bad law from being passed is easier than getting a bad law repealed, so if this does pass, we're effectively screwed because by the time these laws get challenged in the courts, Obama will have already stacked the Supreme Court.

I'm not trying to be a downer or to rain on anyone's parade, but that's the way it is.

As for getting these clowns out of office, we're screwed there too - the masses are asses and they aren't even aware of exactly who it is they are voting for. The fact that this Nation gave Obama another 4 is proof enough of that.

SNIP

Maybe we can work an injunction like they are trying for in New York.

I hear ya, and to be honest I don't have much hope of getting these clowns out either, but until I can no longer fight, I will make it as hard as possible on them.

 

[usmctankmech]

Nope. Sorry for raising a flag. Been watching politics for a LONG time, they usually signal what's next....

For the anti's, that is the next logical corner to start painting.

Ok good, i can still pick up a couple crates of mosins... lol

 

[Robert]

Middleton also voted to end filibuster

Yep, the first e-mail with the error was recalled..

Corrected Count

[FONT=&quot]Voting for Cloture in Favor of the Passage of SB 281[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Benson[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Conway[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Currie[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]DeGrange[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ferguson[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Forehand[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Frosh[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Garagiola[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Gladden[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jones-Rodwell[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Kasemeyer[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Kelley[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]King[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Madaleno[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Manno[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]McFadden[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Miller[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Middleton[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Montgomery[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Muse[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Peters[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Pinsky[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Pugh[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ramirez[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Raskin[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Robey[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rosapepe[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Young [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Zirkin[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Voting Against Cloture in Opposition of the Passage of SB 281[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Astle[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Brinkley[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Brochin[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Colburn[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dyson[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Edwards[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Getty[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Glassman[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jacobs[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Jennings[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Kittleman[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Klausmeier[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Mathias[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Pipkin[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Reilly[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shank[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Simonaire[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stone[/FONT]

 

[cjroman]

This, although I'd argue that regaining control of the judiciary committees would also be extremely beneficial to us.

That won't happen as long as Miller is the Senate President...

Switch to D and vote these guys out in the primaries...most of them think they are safe.

 

[TACAV]

Thanks i fixed it. and included middleton in voting to end filibuster.

 

[ezliving]

We need the roll call vote for cloture posted. It is the voted that count.

 

[Schwabe]

I know MOM wants to run for POTUS in '16 so why does he want to push this BS? It might help in some dem primaries but in the general election he just screwed himself. Even Obama knew this, thats why he kept mum on 2A issues and even signed the national parks carry bill

What are you talking about? MoM no matter the facts will claim that it worked in MD and that it CAN work on a Federal level. That is how he will play this... you heard Frosh today ... don't let facts get in your way ...

 

[ezliving]

Personally, I never had much hope that our voices would actually be heard....

The fight isn't over, but I think it's a losing battle.

Overheard in 1933 on the trains to the German concentration camps.

 

[annihilation-time]

Does the House Bill need a favorable report from the committee?

Does it matter what happens tomorrow?

Or... does the bill go straight to the house?

 

[dapefley]

A really interesting statistic to see (and I am NOT giving up) would be the difference in the total population of the state of Maryland from the time this bill will pass (hopefully not), to a 1, 2, and 5 year moving average after that time.

I hope this backfires so hard in these Liberal's faces, that they cannot even get a job as a crossing guard (absolutely NO disrespect meant, in reference to a comment that Frosh and others made).

Thoughts???

 

[MadCat0911]

Did Senator DeGrange's facebook page remove all our comments for anyone else, or just me?

http://www.facebook.com/senatoreddegrange?fref=ts

I swear we were posting on the page about our disappointment.

 

[Waitwhat]

Did Senator DeGrange's facebook page remove all our comments for anyone else, or just me?

http://www.facebook.com/senatoreddegrange?fref=ts

I swear we were posting on the page about our disappointment.

Yup, it looks like the whole comment section is gone. My comment included. I do not like being silenced.

 

[2AHokie]

Does the House Bill need a favorable report from the committee?

Does it matter what happens tomorrow?

Or... does the bill go straight to the house?

As I understand it, the Senate vote today makes the House even more important. Tomorrow matters.

 

[MadCat0911]

Yup, it looks like the whole comment section is gone.

Oh, now I'm pissed at him...

 

[aray]

So DeGrange, District 32, and Middleton, District 28, are the ones who tried to play both sides of the fence, eh? And Brochin District 42 lied to the Town Hall and then peeled off even in committee.

So those are the three turncoats who want to have it both ways. We need to let them know that we aren't falling for their dishonesty. Don't let them get away with claiming to be for us because they voted for an amendment or two. If they weren't with us when it really mattered, then nothing else does matter.

Remember when election times come around again...